@'Morfium':

@'Katzekage':

Miro: Ok this looks good, we change a little bit about them but overall i see what you all where up to. Let´s get to work. (god i´m happy i don´t needed to make this pictures as WIPs first, now i can safe alot of time.)

maybe now it´s more understandable

well, if miro really need such pics he could have asked any poser, Daz or any other user of any 3d application. the problem is more you need to have similar proportions so you know that it not only works for your models also for his models, and a big part I guess is also that he has to have it in his own 3d programm, you know look on it from any direction and make some small movements and so on…so I think if he really need such a help he would ask for it, or you have to be with him in the same room so that you can show him the stuff direct on screen, like it is by a bigger developers, you know?

I'm in doubt if that really helps, or really saves time.

I have done animation in both SFM and 3DSmax (albeit very BASIC animation in 3ds) and i'll tell ya that if something works in SFM…it should be extremely easy to copy it in 3ds since the animation controls are much more detailed and while i have never loaded Miro's models, or the V4 base he used, i'd be willing to bet that they have much better posability than anything you'll find loaded into SFM.

Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if Miro liked having some pose idea help, oftentimes when i'm doing requests during a livestream someone says "hey i'd love to see this, posed this way, like this, etc etc" and i look at it saying "huh, that's a great idea, why didn't i think of that?"

@'Katzekage':

@'deshwitat':

You're correct, i've looked into this a lot because some of my animation followers (i'm up to 800!) have asked to commission animations from me. It seems valve doesn't give a crap what you do with its property, but there are specific lines about "making profit" from them that sound particularly menacing. So ya as long as you're just throwing shit around for free, nobody seems to care, but selling SFM commissions seems like crossing a line i'm personally not willing to do, but i know some folks do, but not a whole lot, and I believe that's the reason why.

I know what your saying but all of you don´t seem to get it what i was saying. Lets try it another way, maybe! than will it be understandable.

Miro: Hey what would you love to see?
Guy one: want to see DP on Tara!
Guy two: want to see Tara getting it on a chair!
Girl one: how about ETara get a blowjob while Sayako fucks Tara?
Miro: ok which works fine?
Guy three:
Ok ETara is on the ground, Sayako is fucking her ass, Tara in the Middle.

Guy four:
ETara is fucking Tara while she gives Sayako head.

Guy five:
ETara is laying on her back getting head from Tara and licking Sayako while she fucks Tara.

Miro: Ok this looks good, we change a little bit about them but overall i see what you all where up to. Let´s get to work. (god i´m happy i don´t needed to make this pictures as WIPs first, now i can safe alot of time.)

maybe now it´s more understandable

Actually i'm pretty sure we both got it a while ago dude, YOU just apparently weren't listening since my response before this last one, was exactly what you are saying now… so ya... Listening is 50% of comprehension

This was part of my response to your first "i don't think you get it" post

"Though if its making animations just to get IDEAS on what type of pose would look good, count me in, i do em all the time for fun and i really only do Futa and i can never seem to get even 20% of the way through an animation without coming up for an idea for another pose hehe"

You just apparently didn't read it or comprehend it since what you just stood up on your soapbox for was EXACTLY what i said...

The response you even quoted had less than 0 to do with your proposal, and was a response to Miro's assumptions about making money off SFM...

So ya...

@'miro':

@'deshwitat':

Well i remember your SFM comment, unfortunately i doubt there is much of a possibility to see users here able to pose these models in SFM. While it is theoretically possible, there is a bit of work that would have to be done to port Miro's models to SFM, and not only that but suddenly passing them out saying "have fun" is something i doubt he would do.

I was wondering, has anyone tried importing Daz models into SFM? that way you could have chars and assets in SFM that you can actually produce releasable vids with, a big issue with SFM that I see is that people pretty much only use game/ copyrighted characters/ assets which you can't actually release - just play around with

I'm sure they have, but by and large whenever i see a WIP model, its always in 3ds max. The reason being i'm fairly certain is that SFM importing/exporting scripts for 3ds max are available easily and i do not believe Daz has the same thing without making them yourself. But ya like 90% of all models i've ever seen are ripped from a game with a few adventurous folks making their own, but generally over half of those models never see the light of day

@'miro':

@'deshwitat':

If i personally had gone through the amount of time and effort to create these models, i certainly would NOT pass them out to the general public to do as they please with.

well the base is V4, but I customized the models completely, that's why you won't see V4s that look the same as Tara and Ayako… well I'm not entirely closed to the idea of getting help with animation, but I don't think SFM is going to be the solution

Ya, SFM is terribly limited in what it can do, not really in what it can "animate" but the amount of hoops you have to jump through to get a model to function as you want it to. Annoying shit like bending a foot at the ankle causing the leg to skew like an epileptic break dancer having a seizure

@'miro':

@'Katzekage':

ok thanks for reading it partwise, …... your the second one with that... where in hell did i say i want miros models???????? ZITAT:NO! he don´t need to give HIS models away, there are plenty of other models free if i use Miranda, Lara and Fem Sheppard and make a scene telling everyone which char is Sayako, Tara and ETara Miro is able to see if this pose is functional or not.

well as I said above working with those models is great and you can get really nice results in SFM, but they're copyrighted characters so you can't actually release anything based on them, just for fun and give away for free kind of thing… as far as I'm aware anyway?

You're correct, i've looked into this a lot because some of my animation followers (i'm up to 800!) have asked to commission animations from me. It seems valve doesn't give a crap what you do with its property, but there are specific lines about "making profit" from them that sound particularly menacing. So ya as long as you're just throwing shit around for free, nobody seems to care, but selling SFM commissions seems like crossing a line i'm personally not willing to do, but i know some folks do, but not a whole lot, and I believe that's the reason why.

@'Katzekage':

ok thanks for reading it partwise, …... your the second one with that... where in hell did i say i want miros models???????? ZITAT:NO! he don´t need to give HIS models away, there are plenty of other models free if i use Miranda, Lara and Fem Sheppard and make a scene telling everyone which char is Sayako, Tara and ETara Miro is able to see if this pose is functional or not.

in honor katzekage

I read the whole thing, i just didn't quite see what you were getting at. Even this idea though, using other models to pose for ideas, wouldn't really work well either. If you use SFM much you realize that many models have severe limitations in which way limbs will bend. While using IK rigs and such can help, it still doesn't stop seams and horrible bends, and i'm sure Miro has much more flexibility (pun intended) with what he can do. Hell i've got some models that the limbs look gangly if you just view them from the wrong angle… bleh

Though if its making animations just to get IDEAS on what type of pose would look good, count me in, i do em all the time for fun and i really only do Futa and i can never seem to get even 20% of the way through an animation without coming up for an idea for another pose hehe

(yes, i'm also trying to derail the balls and sodding biology lesson again...)

@'Katzekage':

Miro it seems you don´t read my post with the SFM i will write it as PM to you.

Well i remember your SFM comment, unfortunately i doubt there is much of a possibility to see users here able to pose these models in SFM. While it is theoretically possible, there is a bit of work that would have to be done to port Miro's models to SFM, and not only that but suddenly passing them out saying "have fun" is something i doubt he would do.

If i personally had gone through the amount of time and effort to create these models, i certainly would NOT pass them out to the general public to do as they please with.

Though as someone who has about 100 SFM models and i've done about 200 animations, and i do livestreams with SFM all the time, i would LOVE to get the opportunity to pose Sayako in SFM… but i will be a pessimist here and say i doubt i'll ever get that chance.

if this thread needs anything, its…

yay the script thing was like a month ago, i was going to write one, but i like stories, and i feel i'm good at writing them, but when i try to do "just dialogue" i end up not getting any flow going, so i didn't submit anything, though i'm interested in how it comes out

@'fredfred5150':

Does anyone else see a potential argument developing among smooth cum advocates and lumpy cum advocates?

Look at the furore over the recent balls .vs no balls debate

Less filling!!

@'Tiffany':

insert unnecessary slide show

for the love of Pete, this is erotic fantasy, we've heard this before "sperm doesn't come from the balls bla bla bla" when art is made of a huge cock with big monster balls, then it is fairly standard to expect the artist to also make a big cumshot, its just a fantasy indulgence, stop trying to compare everything here to real life and bringing in your biology slideshows.

Its like all those movies where they depict Russia as 100% freezing and snow covered all the time, it's not even close to accurate, but i doubt anyone goes on a tirade because Rocky was training in knee deep snow the whole time.

that's some serious aim

i dunno everyone is saying "thinner thinner!" but i kind of like it the way it is personally, thick and heavy! just like her mighty hammer! hehe