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  • @'Tiffany':

    Apes and non-human primates are not humanoid.

    The hardest distinction for me I think would probably be the ones that are half humanoid like a mermaid or centaur. In that respect I almost want to say that mermaid would not be while a centaur would be bestiality.

    I'd consider fucking a mermaid fishfucking, as you'd be fucking fish vagina (i.e. the fishy half). Then again, maybe she'd just lay a few hundred eggs in a shallow stream, and then the guy jerks off on top of it. Salmon style!

    But..what if you only fucked the top half of a mermaid (bj?). I'm not into mermaids mind you, though this is question I now have.


    @'Jimjim':

    @'fredfred5150':

    Technically it would be as a neanderthal is a different species which is surely the defining characteristic of beastiality, unless you're suggesting some kind of "is it beastiality?" scale based on genetic similarity, like any animal 80% genetically similar or above is ok to fuck?

    But a neanderthal wouldn't be classified as bestiality that would be interracial or interspecies If you put it up to a credit card company or the classification laws.

    Funfact: Recent studies indicate we share anywhere from 2-4% of our genome with Neanderthals, suggesting there was interbreeding at one point… before we killed them all. Highest concentrations appear to be in Europe, Asia, and northern Italy especially.



  • @'dizzydills':

    I apologize if I come off like I am splitting hairs with the language. I guess what I am trying to "define" here is what makes it taboo in fiction, when rape/murder/monster sex is apparently ok.

    I know what you mean, its an odd little world



  • Apes and non-human primates are not humanoid.

    The hardest distinction for me I think would probably be the ones that are half humanoid like a mermaid or centaur. In that respect I almost want to say that mermaid would not be while a centaur would be bestiality.



  • @'Tiffany':

    It becomes monster sex if they are not human. It becomes bestiality if they are not humanoid.

    I think that's the best and easiest way it can be defined.

    Sounds good, apes and primates are in! : P

    I apologize if I come off like I am splitting hairs with the language. I guess what I am trying to "define" here is what makes it taboo in fiction, when rape/murder/monster sex is apparently ok.



  • @'Tiffany':

    It becomes monster sex if they are not human. It becomes bestiality if they are not humanoid.

    Possibly the best way to distinguish these things that I have heard yet



  • You can play semantics with the oddities of the English language, but if you put a vampire in bed with a human it may potentially be monster sex, but it isn't bestiality. The same would be true for demons - a succubus comes to mind. Or hell, even the alien species from the movie Species.

    It becomes monster sex if they are not human. It becomes bestiality if they are not humanoid.

    I think that's the best and easiest way it can be defined.



  • @'Nephanor':

    I checked with my host, and as long as there is no child pornography, anything can be posted. So if you want to have a dino and a cave girl, all rendered and cozy together, go for it! Go for it and post it on Ambient Dimension! I already have pictures of a dragon and an elf posted there! ;)

    Thanks I'll keep that in mind when I get around to making a series of some sort. For now though I have to finish the other 5 or so sets I've already started before doing anymore of that stuff.



  • I checked with my host, and as long as there is no child pornography, anything can be posted. So if you want to have a dino and a cave girl, all rendered and cozy together, go for it! Go for it and post it on Ambient Dimension! I already have pictures of a dragon and an elf posted there! ;)



  • @'fredfred5150':

    Did anyone ever say sexual morality was based on logic? ;)

    Oh I know where most of our sexual morality comes from, but I am not touching that subject with a ten foot pole. I will say however that we are genetically compatible with neanderthals (hybrid offspring) so I don't think it should fall under beast.

    Bestiality needs some redefinition for sure. What about aliens for example. Does the "existed on earth" distinction matter so much in fiction to warrant governance by the law? It would pretty much put every Sci-Fi series straight into the beast category. The Aliens series is at is core, a bunch of animals graphically raping and killing humans.

    3DX is a relatively new category, once its begins to pick up speed I think some of the restrictions on fictional work will be lifted. Its hard nowadays to leave money on the table .

    In the meantime JimJim abuse the loopholes if need be. Add an extra head or tail to your dino's to make your fictional model a "fantasy" one, and your all set!


    @'Tiffany':

    Well, they aren't humanoid. I believe dragons and unicorns would certainly fall into this as well, even a cerberus or hydra, regardless of existential factors.

    I don't even think fantasy creature is a legitimate genre. It's just bestiality. There's monster stuff, which would be more like an anubite or minotaur-man, or demon, orc, gremlin, troll, and so on…

    From dictionary.com
    mon·ster [mon-ster]
    noun

    a legendary animal combining features of animal and human form or having the forms of various animals in combination, as a centaur, griffin, or sphinx.

    any creature so ugly or monstrous as to frighten people.

    any animal or human grotesquely deviating from the normal shape, behavior, or character.

    a person who excites horror by wickedness, cruelty, etc.

    any animal or thing huge in size.

    Pretty sure any fantasy creature falls squarely into this monster definition. But your statement illuminates the vagaries of our language. Beast, monster, creature, animal, are all broad terms open to interpretation.



  • @'fredfred5150':

    Technically it would be as a neanderthal is a different species which is surely the defining characteristic of beastiality, unless you're suggesting some kind of "is it beastiality?" scale based on genetic similarity, like any animal 80% genetically similar or above is ok to fuck?

    But a neanderthal wouldn't be classified as bestiality that would be interracial or interspecies If you put it up to a credit card company or the classification laws.

    I think the difference between bestiality and interspecies is that with bestiality it implies an animal that doesn't understand the situation or could be taken advantage of since there's no 100% way to gauge consent. interspecies is just a general term for two species having sex like two species of dog to species of homo sapiens. So I don't think interspecies can be used as a synonym or definition of bestiality.



  • Can I vote "lol"? :)



  • @'dizzydills':

    We had a discussion on this a ways back, I forgot the title of the post though. Essentially I think the "if its not human its beast" definition is a little flawed. By that definition knocking boots with a neanderthal is bestiality. In 3DX the distinction is trivial, since nothing in our medium is "real".

    Technically it would be as a neanderthal is a different species which is surely the defining characteristic of beastiality, unless you're suggesting some kind of "is it beastiality?" scale based on genetic similarity, like any animal 80% genetically similar or above is ok to fuck?

    @'dizzydills':

    You can break just about every law in your art, but for some reason when it comes to bestiality its this crazy taboo subject. I create and attempt to sell artwork graphically depicting cannibalism, and yet some chick banging a dinosaur is off limits?

    Did anyone ever say sexual morality was based on logic? ;)



  • We had a discussion on this a ways back, I forgot the title of the post though. Essentially I think the "if its not human its beast" definition is a little flawed. By that definition knocking boots with a neanderthal is bestiality. In 3DX the distinction is trivial, since nothing in our medium is "real".

    In real life, sure I can understand the need to discuss and enforce the legality of bestiality. But applying that rule to fiction seems silly. We really don't do this kinda of taboo/censorship with anything else. Its illegal to possess/sell/do certain drugs and yet musicians cant stop singing about them.

    You can break just about every law in your art, but for some reason when it comes to bestiality its this crazy taboo subject. I create and attempt to sell artwork graphically depicting cannibalism, and yet some chick banging a dinosaur is off limits?



  • I think tentacle monsters are in the monster sex genre rather than bestiality, though tentacle-things tend to have their own sub-genre of the monster sex genre… most famously from Japanese hentai.



  • Yeah, fair enough. It will be interesting to see how these laws inevitably change in the next 20-50 years though. Seeing as the further on we go in time the more things become acceptable.

    On a side note I don't condone Bestiality in real life for those that are interested. I only take an interest in the 3dx side of it and only what I can convince myself to be a fantasy scenario. There's just something about women willingly having sex with things that aren't human that just fascinates me. Whether that be a messed up mutant, an alien, or a giant lizard from a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away! (maybe that loophole could work ;))



  • lol, I'm working to close all loopholes, but I get your curiosity :)

    Tentacle monsters are kind of a grey area, which I think most fans of the genre ignore or just havent thought about.

    In some countries (Holland) beastiality is only illegal in cases where the animal is mistreated

    As for the rest of what you ask, I think we could go round in circles about that for the rest of time :D



  • Yeah, I fully understand the rules and would never post that stuff here. I'm not using this thread in a pathetic attempt to discover a loop hole in order to post these pictures. Just general curiosity.

    Just curious since besides the obvious moral dispute over bestiality, One of the main reasons it's wrong is because humans can take advantage of the animals and mistreat them. Obviously it'd be pretty hard to do that to a dinosaur even in a fantasy setting where humans existed with dinosaurs. But considering the whole idea could never happen technically makes it a fantasy scenario so people wouldn't be able to argue animal rights. Does this mean it's mainly wrong because it walks on all fours? I guess what you said is true about it just being an over sized lizard and I guess if you think of it that way you could morally argue against it. But surely animal cruelty can't be an argument for this one.

    So it would fit into a sub category with dragons and the other non-humanoid aliens that walk on 4 legs. (unicorns are just horses with horns though so that's still bestiality in my opinion)

    On another side note where do tentacle monsters fit then? Aren't they non humanoid aliens?



  • @'Jimjim':

    But do people view dinos with the same moral values that are associated with human and animal relations.

    ummm….a dinosaur IS an animal (reptiles are animals too) therefore its still beastiality.

    I think the people who don't like beastiality will not see any distinction just because its a dinosaur instead of a horse or dog (and you can bet you probably won't be able to post your images here)

    Of course, like most fetishes the distinction between them lies largely in the eye of the beholder, but in this case I refer you to my previous post (dino=beastiality)

    @'Jimjim':

    I agree it's bestiality, but should it be considered differently from bestiality that features modern animals?

    At best you could get away with calling it a sub-genre ( paleo-beastiality perhaps? ) :D



  • @'fredfred5150':

    its beastiality, plain and simple, the fact that dinos and humans don't exist in the same time period doesnt make any real difference.

    The thing that makes a fantasy creature a "fantasy" is that it never existed, not that it doesnt exist anymore

    After thinking about it more I agree with this statement. But do people view dinos with the same moral values that are associated with human and animal relations. Considering that this inter-species relationship is entirely fantasy since it can never happen in real life like bestiality can. I agree it's bestiality, but should it be considered differently from bestiality that features modern animals?


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