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  • The only downside of Genesis is the relative lack of content. I LOVE the textures but that aside you're going to wind up using a LOT of old V4 content. That being said you're looking at the GENX plugins and probably Posemaster. There ARE free scripts that adjust the hands and feet which are normally what gets completely dicked up when you apply a v4 pose to the Genesis models. Spend some time getting familiar with transferring content. I'm not saying that there isn't a lot of nice stuff for Genesis. I use both but imho V4 still has the edge on dearth of content. If you can get over the conversion hurdles though Genesis is hard to beat.



  • Your first renders are actually looking quite nice, I must say. Looks like you're off to a good start. I remember my first renders with DAZ …. ugh.

    As for the shading issue ... as I don't use 3Delight for rendering, I can't be 100% certain, but it appears to be a shadow issue from the scene light. I would fiddle with the settings for that first .... deep shadow mapping vs. ray tracing, etc.

    As to the shaping options for Genesis ... the base figure is actually pretty decent in available options out of the box and if I recall, the Genesis starter essentials adds a handful of preset shaping dials as well (I'd have to fire up Studio to be certain where they are, but unfortunately that machine is currently being ravaged by MemTest. heh)

    There are also a rising number of freebie morphs and shapes cropping up for Genesis. One of the great ones I've seen is SickleYield's conversion of DieTrying's 182 V4 morphs to Genesis. You can find it here ------>

    DieTrying's 182 V4 Morphs for Genesis

    Shaping props …. well .... you have a few options there. Outside of any inherent morphs the prop may come with .... there are a few things you could do. Inside Studio itself, there are D-Formers, which are quite handy for handling things like poke through on clothing or general shape adjusting. Beyond that ... you would have to look at 3rd party programs .. which would depend entirely on your preferred workflow, knowledge (or willingness to learn) and, of course, budget.

    Hexagon bridges nicely with DAZ (as expected since it's their product) and is fairly capable of creating morphs for figures and shooting them directly back to Studio. There is also GOZ now, as well ... which bridges Studio to Z-Brush. Not sure of the specifics of it, however, as I have not tried it myself yet. Beyond that ... the choice is yours as to what you want to do ... and the best way to get what you do back into Studio. heh.

    It might also be worth noting that it's important to pay attention to exactly what kind of item you're adding to your scene ... static prop, smart prop or conforming figure ... as this can play a big part in setting up a scene. I recall recently having a bitch of a time adjusting the position of a sword in a character's hand .... only to find out that the creator made the sword as a conforming figure rather than a smart prop like 99.99999% of all other weapons in existence. LoL

    Anyway ... that was quite the mouthful. As you might notice, i'm quite bored at the moment watching MemTest tick away. If you have any questions, feel free to hit me up and I'll help as best I can.

    Cheers!

    Nova



  • Not sure how Genesis work, but I assume it's the same as V4 when adding hair, clothes and props. I have most things in the content library.

    From there it's just a matter of having your figure selected and double clicking the cloth or hair you want to add, just make sure you have your figure selected, dragging and dropping also works quite well.

    It takes a bit of trail and error before you learn how it works when adding stuff and shaping figures. In general you just select your item and go to the parameters tab, there you should be able to see the different morphs available for that item.

    But yeah, there are plenty of tutorials for these basic things.


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    @'jaydeertay':

    Well, here is my first render using only the render that comes with Daz3d:

    I did end up getting the V5 and a few adders.

    good start so far, let's see how you progress

    @'Hollow:

    I can put a room in a scene and a figure in that room, and that's about it so far, heh. I can't even put hair or clothing or even a second prop in that room, or if I can, I can't seem to place it properly on a figure. (I can edit the figure somewhat, which makes me wonder to what extent I can change what shaping options are available on a given shape, or whether I can make my own shapeable props from within Daz Studio, or if I need to actually start shelling out bucks for additional props, software (do I need Z-Brush? Bryce? Poser? Photoshop?), etc.

    a Daz person would have to give you a hand here, but I know Daz offers some pretty good video tutorial for beginners, maybe check those out :)

    I know Genesis comes with some basic clothing etc so once you've looked at the tutorials you'll be able to work out how to use them. The shaping morphs with the base figure are probably pretty basic, but will give a bit of an idea of what you can do. You'll need add a V5 morph set of sorts for better shape control.

    Daz Studio is fine you won't need anything else to begin with, maybe photoshop or similar for some basic retouching.



  • This thread finally pushed me to DL Daz and try it out. Since it's free, all I'm spending so far is my free time… Of course, I would run immediately into problems. The Install Manager defaulted to installing itself on my already space-starved OS partition, so I had to go through a lot of trouble to move it and a lot of other things, which caused other programs to break and require my attention. Long story short, I only got to devote maybe an hour or two to actually playing with Daz Studio a week after I decided to DL it. And part of that was figuring out how to make the Smart Content tab see the Genesis Essentials content that was supposed to automatically come with.

    I can put a room in a scene and a figure in that room, and that's about it so far, heh. I can't even put hair or clothing or even a second prop in that room, or if I can, I can't seem to place it properly on a figure. (I can edit the figure somewhat, which makes me wonder to what extent I can change what shaping options are available on a given shape, or whether I can make my own shapeable props from within Daz Studio, or if I need to actually start shelling out bucks for additional props, software (do I need Z-Brush? Bryce? Poser? Photoshop?), etc.



  • @'miro':

    If you just want to play around on the cheap and get a feel for how everything works, it's worth looking into getting V4, tons of clothes, genital prop options, still has more support than V5, afaik. Once you've reached a basic level of proficiency you could upgrade to Genesis and you'd probably make wiser buying decisions as well. As far as I can tell V5's a more expensive girl to maintain :P

    Well, here is my first render using only the render that comes with Daz3d:

    I did end up getting the V5 and a few adders.


    Here is another render and shows one of the issues I am trying to work on with regards to the shading.


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    If you just want to play around on the cheap and get a feel for how everything works, it's worth looking into getting V4, tons of clothes, genital prop options, still has more support than V5, afaik. Once you've reached a basic level of proficiency you could upgrade to Genesis and you'd probably make wiser buying decisions as well. As far as I can tell V5's a more expensive girl to maintain :P



  • @'komblkaurn':

    3)Genesis Michael Victoria Pro Bundle: Pretty much only V5/M5, Both genitalia, and a ton of body shaping options.

    I recommend getting this. You get M5/V5, the Evolution Body/Head morphs, both male and female Genitalia plus two skin textures (Phillip and Bree). As for hair and clothes, there are some freebies floating around at ShareCG (in the DAZ Studio section) which is pretty good. Plus, you can always fit M4/V4 hair and clothes and there's a lot of freestuff out there.



  • If youre going for genesis, as it would seem from your post, and youre looking for genitals then the V5 pro package should include the genesis female genitalia package. This one is very basic however and only has some spread morph. But you can make it look very detailed and natural when you buy this little gem here : https://www.renderotica.com/xcart/product.php?productid=30054&cat=263&page=1

    I have been using this for quite a bit when I am not messing around with Lali`s bits and its really the quickest solution for genitals and actually looks great if you spend just a tiny bit of effort into posing it well.



  • It really depends on how much money you can fork over, but I would recommend starting with one of these bundles:

    1)Victoria 5 or Michael 5 Pro Bundle: Pretty much a mix of everything you said, including V5 Genital (The only genesis female genitalia I would recommend at this point, it is fairly limited in terms of what you can do with it but it looks awesome for simple things).

    2)Victoria 5 or Michael 5 Pro Suite: Includes more stuff than the Pro Bundle

    3)Genesis Michael Victoria Pro Bundle: Pretty much only V5/M5, Both genitalia, and a ton of body shaping options.

    I believe you can only get genitals from a bundle and I highly recommend getting Genesis Evolution: Head Morphs and Body Morphs, which give you a lot more options and are required for a lot of characters. Try to plan out what you want to buy to avoid overlap and paying for the same things twice. I suggest shopping and deciding what character(s)/clothing/hair you want to start out with and base your first purchases around that. Daz and Renderosity also have some great sales from time to time so try to take advantage of them.

    Once you have a good start and have learned to use Daz a bit more you should invest in a better renderer (with Daz the Uber Environment plugin is popular as well as the Reality 2 plugin with Luxrender).

    Good luck, I hope you find everything you are looking for! Daz is free, but it's very limited before you put some money into it.



  • @'GumpOtaku':

    1. Buy Poser or download DAZ Studio (for free!)
    2. Buy V4+M4
    3. Buy some clothes and props
    4. work from there

    Any further questions?

    ~GO

    1. I have Daz3d - Check

    2. I ended up getting the V5, but i noticed it does not have all her lady parts. Before I buy things I don't need/want, can you recommend a good package that has a mix of:

    hair
    skin tones/textures
    face morphs/poses
    cloths
    genitals for both male & female

    Thanks for the quick response btw.

    Jay



  • Moving this to the 3DX Discussion section.



  • 1. Buy Poser or download DAZ Studio (for free!)
    2. Buy V4+M4
    3. Buy some clothes and props
    4. work from there

    Any further questions?

    ~GO


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