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  • Thanks Matt! I will give that a shot.



  • It's quite simple really. With a graph editor, you can see clearly how the transition between keyframes happen. Sometimes you want a linear transition (a line), other times you want a curve.

    Most of the problems we see in animation can be divided into two categories - improper transitions and jitter. The first one - which I see most of the time - happens because the app tried to be smart and used more than two keyframes for interpolating. The examples below are taken from Casual's webpage.

    What happened

    What you want

    Jitter is different and more likely to be seen in motion capture.

    So. you just edit the problematic keyframes within the curve to get a smoother curve. If IK is the culprit, you'll probably have to edit all limb parts to see which one is causing it. Unfortunately (at least in DS), they won't work with IK. Back to the topic, if you want a really clean animation for BVH, you likely have do this for every body part.



  • I don't have that issue. Everything moves very fast for me unless I am using huge textures on many different figures. At that point I just go to Hidden Line mode.

    I have used the Graph Editor a number of times in Poser. As I am still not used to it, it is daunting to see it when it looks like an Earthquake Reading ;)



  • Don't exactly know about Poser, but none do in DS.

    Poser's IK is somewhat usable, but viewport performance have always been abysmal for me. Applying a pose always took several seconds and moving limbs seems so slow.



  • The graph editor in Poser doesn't work with IK?



  • I do wish somebody step up to standardize animation tools for DS and/or Poser though. Right now, the animation tools are pretty rudimentary and addons like Animate/Keymate/Graphmate feels more like bolt-on tools.

    Since we're in halucigenic mode - I'd like to see a parameter graph editor (like Casual's scenegraph) that works with IK. There's several graph/timeline editor plugins/addons for DS that I know of, but they don't work with IK enabled. It cerntainly will help in cleaning imported BVHs and avoid jitter like Chimera46 showed in the other thread.

    @'fredfred5150':

    You guys havent thought laterally about this.

    If this software can work from images from a webcam/or digital camera/video, then why not put your favourite porno on your tv or monitor and point your webcam/camera at the image on the tv? ;)

    Because it is actually easier (and cleaner) to have the app load the video and analyze it? I think most Mocap packackes (at least the pro ones) have that option (to load pre-recorded scenes).



  • I`m still hoping for a decent kinect plugin for Daz Studio.

    Or better, something for C4D and then a finished Interposer for genesis :)

    Then again… I should stop doing drugs, I am already halucinating...


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    The results look really good. I think for single isolated character movements this could be really good, not sure how well this would work for sex scenes though and I wonder whether the dick wouldn't require a tracking point either ;)



  • @'matthacker':

    Well, you're forgetting one thing.

    Raw BVH animations, which most mocap produces as output, generally have very dirty keyframes. Editing them is a pain in the ass, even with the right tools. Combined with dumb interpolations we have with DS and Poser, it's probably easier and quicker to hand craft your own loops.

    Yep, though for something complicated, like say… a dance performance, might be worth it to clean up the bvh. Otherwise, yeah the time you spend on cleaning up the BVH could be put to making one from scratch.



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  • You guys havent thought laterally about this.

    If this software can work from images from a webcam/or digital camera/video, then why not put your favourite porno on your tv or monitor and point your webcam/camera at the image on the tv? ;)



  • @'Supro':

    Hmm, motion capture porn. Guys and girls fucking while in motion capture suits and posted on the web. It's the nerdiest thing to happen in porn. I could make a fortune on that!

    Haha what a sight :D
    A nice thing I noticed about that software is that you don't need tracking points, so no mocap suit (I think), seemed to work really well for them in a demo vid, not sure how well it handels more "complex" movements though.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK2H-9HhAVA



  • Well, you're forgetting one thing.

    Raw BVH animations, which most mocap produces as output, generally have very dirty keyframes. Editing them is a pain in the ass, even with the right tools. Combined with dumb interpolations we have with DS and Poser, it's probably easier and quicker to hand craft your own loops.



  • Yeah, the only "Heavy Lifting" would be cleaning the artifacts and naming all the bones to match.



  • @'jbtrimar':

    @'Supro':

    I would love to get that to create some animations. I just need two things: 1) A kinect and 2) A female who's willing to do anything. :D

    It also says you can use webcams or video cameras. Maybe use two iPhones? Nothing I can do about the lady though. :)

    You know, the porn industry could probably make a mint doing that! "Direct from your favorite Vivid Videos! Mocap sex animations for Genesis and V4/M4!" I said it, I copyright it!

    I will call it…PornoMotion © 2013 Trimarchi

    The only problem with webcam and video cameras is that you need multiple ones. And even then, they're not as good at reading movement like a Kinect or PS Eye. They don't even recommend using those devices in their FAQ. The Kinect is considerably cheaper as you need to buy one unit whereas you need at least 4 PS Eyes for it to properly work.

    Hmm, motion capture porn. Guys and girls fucking while in motion capture suits and posted on the web. It's the nerdiest thing to happen in porn. I could make a fortune on that!



  • @'Supro':

    I would love to get that to create some animations. I just need two things: 1) A kinect and 2) A female who's willing to do anything. :D

    It also says you can use webcams or video cameras. Maybe use two iPhones? Nothing I can do about the lady though. :)

    You know, the porn industry could probably make a mint doing that! "Direct from your favorite Vivid Videos! Mocap sex animations for Genesis and V4/M4!" I said it, I copyright it!

    I will call it…PornoMotion © 2013 Trimarchi



  • I would love to get that to create some animations. I just need two things: 1) A kinect and 2) A female who's willing to do anything. :D


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