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  • ^ Theres always gonna be stuff that you (or anybody else) won't like, the trick is to avoid it.



  • I think even in 3dx you have certain niche's.
    Alot of 3dx work grosses met out tbh. But there's that 5% that is acctually really beautifull



  • @'matthacker':

    If there is one exception, it will have to be T1000 from Terminator. Impressive and ground breaking, it generally never takes away from the story (sometimes enhancing it). But even so, there's still some jarring, back-to-reality moments where you see problems here and there (the stacatto walk, the morphing issues etc).

    Ah yes the "mimetic polyalloy" ;)

    I remember seeing that as a kid, that was amazing, and still looks good even by todays FX standards.



  • @'fredfred5150':

    Theres a difference between the "capability/potential of 3d/cgi for enhancement of storytelling/delivering action" and "how the end user of that technology decides to make use of it within their movie" ;)

    Are you really telling us you've never seen CGI effects that made a movie better?

    Generally, directors use special FX (including CGI) for three things
    1. It's impossible
    2. It's unsafe
    3. It's cheaper

    If i were to compare the original Star Wars - A New Hope to the newer Special Edition laden with CGI effects, I would have to say no. Puppet Yoda and CGI Yoda? The puppet Yoda have more memorable lines. Let's take another example, Jurassic Park. For me, the most dramatic, memorable action sequences are the ones done with animatronics and not CGI. Another one will be Alien and Aliens.

    Transformers although technically impressive, never quite have that 'wow' impact for me. Why would a robot need to have a face, eyebrows and lips? And I think they overdid the transformation sequences. With Avatar, the rehashed Pocahontas story kinda ruin it. The CGI used throughout the movie never did serve as an effective storytelling tool.

    If there is one exception, it will have to be T1000 from Terminator. Impressive and ground breaking, it generally never takes away from the story (sometimes enhancing it). But even so, there's still some jarring, back-to-reality moments where you see problems here and there (the stacatto walk, the morphing issues etc).



  • Hey! my thread got resurrected :)

    @'Tiffany':

    Real porn is vastly more popular than 3Dx will ever be in the short term to be honest. I know it's probably not what 3Dx enthusiasts want to hear but it's the truth. It's a lot easier to mass produce a metric fuckton of porn than it is 3Dx. Not to mention that out of the 3Dx most of it that is produced is low quality, and this stuff takes a long time to produce in general.

    I completely agree with your assertion, but like you said thats "in the short term"

    Logically in the long term there should come a point where quality of visuals and speed/cost of production will no longer be a barrier.

    How far away is that point? I'll let those more knowledgeable about technology answer that

    @'matthacker':

    @'miro':

    In terms of the potential I will give one very simple example: Ask yourself what has 3D/ CGI done for movies and games vs your regular run off the mill drama/ romance/ live action movie? I think that answers your question.

    I'll answer that question with this question - look at those 3D/CGI scenes and then close your eyes. Do they still convey the same thing? Of all the science fiction/fantasy movies out there, I'm still amazed what Kubrick and his team were able to achieve with 2001 Space Odyssey. It's not just the visuals (all shots are live action sequences), but also the approach and the underlying idea.

    Sure, modern 3D/CGI scenes like those in Michael Bay's movies looks awesome, but I think it's overly dramatic. The most memorable recent action scenes I really like is the assault sequence in Zero Dark Thirty. Methodical, surgical, precise, quiet.

    Car chases? Bullit all the way.

    Theres a difference between the "capability/potential of 3d/cgi for enhancement of storytelling/delivering action" and "how the end user of that technology decides to make use of it within their movie" ;)

    Are you really telling us you've never seen CGI effects that made a movie better?



  • @'fredfred5150':

    I agree with the sanitation/pristine point you make, as certain positions/sex acts just don't look good in real world scenarios due to human physiology

    an example would be any time a woman is upside down (ie a standing 69) because all the blood will rush to the womans head making her look really flushed and making veins bulge in her head, when added to the general discomfort of being upside down makes this not attractive at all, but the same thing done in 3dx doesnt have that problem

    I actually like that about real life sex, be it yourself or live action porn. Its those little details that are generally still missing from renders (ie. flushes, blushes, tendons straining, muscles bulging, pupils dilating). I always thought those (mostly) involuntary reactions are very good hints of what your partner likes (or dislikes). For me, they are another form of expressions. But not only that, they signify reactions and responses, and most importanly life.

    @'miro':

    In terms of the potential I will give one very simple example: Ask yourself what has 3D/ CGI done for movies and games vs your regular run off the mill drama/ romance/ live action movie? I think that answers your question.

    I'll answer that question with this question - look at those 3D/CGI scenes and then close your eyes. Do they still convey the same thing? Of all the science fiction/fantasy movies out there, I'm still amazed what Kubrick and his team were able to achieve with 2001 Space Odyssey. It's not just the visuals (all shots are live action sequences), but also the approach and the underlying idea.

    Sure, modern 3D/CGI scenes like those in Michael Bay's movies looks awesome, but I think it's overly dramatic. The most memorable recent action scenes I really like is the assault sequence in Zero Dark Thirty. Methodical, surgical, precise, quiet.

    Car chases? Bullit all the way.


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    My short response is: you don't look at the current situation you look at the potential… otherwise there would be no progress! Yes, 3DX is a tiny community right now, but open your eyes to what this tiny community will turn into...! Sure it may take time, lots of time... but it will happen!

    In terms of the potential I will give one very simple example: Ask yourself what has 3D/ CGI done for movies and games vs your regular run off the mill drama/ romance/ live action movie? I think that answers your question.



  • porn is a niche industry, catering to every taste, and by every, i mean that kind of porn i wish my brains had of a vague abstract idea until my eyes saw it.
    for the sake of the anecdote, some 10, 13 years ago i worked (not for long) in a start-up web design company.
    my boss were no older than i was (25 to 30 ish), we were servicing the down the street shop, baker, you name it until the big juicy deal arrive: our service was rented to create a porn web site - everyone was excited.
    and then we saw the pictures… bestiality, coprophily, dwarves doing enormous women... we werent so excited anymore... i quited shortly after.

    i believe 3dx is another niche.
    we have to take in consideration the accessibility of the technology that is a game changer. (nudge nudge tiff )
    sure, i want to see/show sex but i cant picture myself hiring actors nor being one 'coz i'm certainly not that free minded. Nor could i handle any logistics (even if the technology can reduce that but the amateur porn niche doesnt/cant claim much in the aesthetics).
    now 3d tech in general makes it possible to shoot a star wars movie from your desktop. (potentially ^^)
    3dx allows for working around psychological forbidance and still delivering pleasing pieces of work.

    a niche that fits a certain profile:
    as a creator, those hours in the virtual 3d room are peaceful, away from the world.
    as a spectator, 3dx would be the 1st layer of arousal my fantasy would be striping before porn.



  • I think you're asking a very niche crowd here, e.g. the ones that look at 3Dx; ergo, you will receive a very biased reply.

    Real porn is vastly more popular than 3Dx will ever be in the short term to be honest. I know it's probably not what 3Dx enthusiasts want to hear but it's the truth. It's a lot easier to mass produce a metric fuckton of porn than it is 3Dx. Not to mention that out of the 3Dx most of it that is produced is low quality, and this stuff takes a long time to produce in general.

    For porno you get full on hour long videos and full image sets while 3Dx generally consists of just a small image set which took a ton of render time and actual planning and creativity. Real porn's just easier… and you don't have to be a pro to make it look photorealistic anatomically correct and good either.

    It'll take some new technology being invented for 3Dx to take off I think. Something that makes it much easier to produce and render. Or rather, something that makes rendering near instant. Something like a voxel engine that Euclidean claims to be producing which most insiders think is just a bunch of rubbish scammy nonsense.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00gAbgBu8R4

    Cause if that worked it'd be instant rendering and all you'd have to do is pose or animate. It'd be amazing. Even a novice could do it. There could even be full on games.



  • @'fredfred5150':

    Do you think this way of thinking has led me, or you to the world of 3dx and 2d?

    Think about it…in the world of 3dx/2d you are more likely to find something you consider perfect, maybe because the "actors" have no restrictions, or maybe the models are much better looking, and, if you can afford a commission, you can actually have what you consider "perfection" created for you.

    I may have rambled a bit there, but the title of the thread explains the thrust of the question that I would like any of you to offer your opinions on :)

    I'm right with you buddy. I wouldn't call what you've done rambling, but more like a eureka moment? I know I certainly felt that way when i first discovered 3dx on deviant art. I don't restrict myself to certain types of porn like you, but I do think 3dx is the epitome of perfect porn, which is why I've taken such a liking to it. It's a shame not many designers go this direction, when you can find countless japanese cg porn all over the internet, albeit of lackluster quality. I think it's sort of a stigma in the U.S, because people think it's restricted only to nerds or something, idk. Boy the wonders they are missing. Hopefully Affect3d will pave the way for other talented designers to step up to the plate and make art at it's finest.

    Now that was rambling lol


    @'miro':

    I think 3dx will raise the bar for porn in general, because as an artist you're not putting your career in jeopardy as a porn star would and so there'll be far less inhibitions and RL complications to deal with, this will result in much more range and depth, I'd say that we haven't even seen the tip of iceberg yet, there's so much more to come and I can't wait :D

    Exactly. It's just one more step towards virtual sex. And that would be the pinnacle of porn. It's amazing more people don't see the potential in this.


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    there are so many things 3dx can do that RL porn can't, except of course the fact that it's not realistic enough yet, but I think by the end of this decade you probably won't be able to tell the difference

    I think 3dx will raise the bar for porn in general, because as an artist you're not putting your career in jeopardy as a porn star would and so there'll be far less inhibitions and RL complications to deal with, this will result in much more range and depth, I'd say that we haven't even seen the tip of iceberg yet, there's so much more to come and I can't wait :D



  • I agree with the sanitation/pristine point you make, as certain positions/sex acts just don't look good in real world scenarios due to human physiology

    an example would be any time a woman is upside down (ie a standing 69) because all the blood will rush to the womans head making her look really flushed and making veins bulge in her head, when added to the general discomfort of being upside down makes this not attractive at all, but the same thing done in 3dx doesnt have that problem



  • I agree with that. It allows the artist to pursue their own interpretation of perfection, and there are commonalities among human interpretations of "perfect" or "idealized."

    For some of us too, I think, there's a degree of… sanitation... that comes with 2d or 3dx. That's not exactly the word I want, but it's frequently more pristine and attractive than comparable works in the real world.


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