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  • We need some definitions first.

    1. What is art?

    I could pretty much argue that art is any action at all that isn't directly applicable to survival/usefullness. By that definition 3dfx is art.

    However. We also use a second definition of art, which is what most people are talking about when these sorts of questions are posed. This secondary definition is pretty much "Art is the product of any action not necessary for survival that you can put into a museum/frame/PBS Show."

    The secondary definition has been played with by art students now for years. "Installation Art" is taking an ordinary object, and placing it in a museum just to show how utterly arbitrary that is.

    Warhol put it best when he said that art is putting his name on a brick and throwing it through a window.

    2. What is pornography?

    Pornography is art that you can't tell certain people you know that you like/make/consume. This is one of the reasons that the barrier between "sexy" and "pornographic" keep getting pushed. As more sexual images become socially acceptable shame ceases to follow them, and I would argue that a fundamental aspect of it is shame/guilt.

    Which takes us into the taboo territory. Porn must violate a taboo in order to be porn. If it violates enough taboos it will never be in a museum. Thus porn is not art in the second sense.

    So I'd say the litmus test for if 3dfx is porn or art is the question: If you were going to have people over that you did not know, would you have this image hung on your wall?

    No? It's porn
    Yes? It's art



  • 3Dx?

    First off, IMO, art is an expression by someone (the artist) using whatever media with the intention to arouse (either the artist him/herself, or others). The quality of which is proportional to the tastes of the patrons of the concept of 'art'. Patrons are both artists and art-lovers. Without them, the word art is meaningless.

    So what is the 3dx artist trying to express / arouse? Just sexual feelings, or also peripheral feelings? like jealousy? or affection for someone in particular? Or render skills? ;)

    From an artist's perspective, IMO, I think art somewhat works three ways:

    1. a pure and egocentric expression of the artist, for his/her own pleasure, expressing something he/she finds important. The appreciation of this expression by others is not the artist's central goal.
    2. an expression of the artist purposefully constructed to arouse emotions or reactions of others, either pleasing, or distressing. An important difference between 1. is that the artist would not 'distress' him/herself without having some kind of a pleasurable reason for it.
    3. or both, you wanna share something you find important in such a way that it moves the observer. And I try to do that.

    The quality of art is for me personally the intensity of effort put into an expression, whether it be 1, 2 or 3. The less effort is put into it, the less art it really is… but not everyone can see this effort. Therefore art is also also subject to the viewer. A seemingly piece of crap for one can mean the world to another.

    Regular porn requires little effort concerning expression, most of it is so bland that it cannot be art, but imagine if you want to make a horrendously disgusting, slimy, shocking piece of porn, and you make a clear effort into achieving this, yeah, for me that is art! ... even though I don't like it. I saw this porn movie once, simple movie, FM, hardly original, just vaginal stuff, but the two actors were clearly having fun, clearly making an effort, the the camera work was superb. For me, that was art. I was moved by the intensity, the quality, and the effort.

    So is 3DX art? well, what do you wanna say with it? and are you really doing your best to make that happen? If yes, then yeah, its art. That's my opinion, sort of...

    There's also another way to look at it: you either like it, or you don't... and art is just another one of those silly words that reflects our unwillingness to accept the chaos called human existence, and thus art actually means nothing at all :)



  • @'miro':

    well it's not quite that clear cut imo, 3dx primarily encompasses the sexual act but also erotic art, meaning plain nudity for example which still intends to arouse but features no sexual intercourse :)

    Well the dictionary says if the intent is to stimulate sexual excitement and it's "explicit"(whatever explicit is exactly), it's pornographic… doesn't need to display the act itself. I am inclined to agree with that definition :D
    That's the problem with loosely defined terms, everyone has his/her own version in his/her head and the compatability might be fairly low.
    Hard to argue what 3DX encompasses with the creator of the term:P ... but if I recall correctly one other option was 3D Porn^^



  • There is porn in it, and there's art. Depends who's work are you looking at.
    In both cases it's fun, so I don't care.


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    @'Alpensepp':

    On a side note: They scrapped the "it's usually offensive" part from the definition of pornography, the dictionary I used back in school still says so (and it's from 2004 and not 1950…)

    really? that's a move in the right direction!

    @'Alpensepp':

    3DX is obviously pornographic… I meant that's the main purpose...

    well it's not quite that clear cut imo, 3dx primarily encompasses the sexual act but also erotic art, meaning plain nudity for example which still intends to arouse but features no sexual intercourse :)

    and when I say art I guess I'm referring to the individual person's interpretation, because you have some who would consider everything art others who think there's some sort of level of quality that needs to be reached in order to call it art



  • … I think that's the wrong place to get varied opinions on the subject :P

    3DX is obviously pornographic... I meant that's the main purpose...
    so the only question is, whether it's art or not.
    According to the definition in the Oxford Dictionary quite a lot of stuff is art (only the first line actually defines something… at best)
    Assuming that "normal" 3D is art, so is 3DX... you do more or less the same stuff, it's not like you did not "apply human creative skill" just because the characters are nude.
    To decide, if something is art, or not based on content, or quality, is completely arbitrary and not even worth discussing imo.

    On a side note: They scrapped the "it's usually offensive" part from the definition of pornography, the dictionary I used back in school still says so (and it's from 2004 and not 1950…)



  • Simply put, its both, the human nude is a staple of all art forms, so 3dx can call also call itself art
    And as for the more filth related aspect, it can do that too so its also damn good porn :P


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