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  • ^^^Yeah. I can attest to that. When a company keeps pushing shit. It's annoying and if they keep it up, pretty soon if I can't get rid of the annoyance out of the experience, I go bye-bye.



  • @'elysia':

    @'Gator762':

    Just in that people would be more likely to find what they wanted to buy or? Makes sense to me.

    Two-fold really. The obvious is finding more of what the customer wants to buy. Also, not showing what they don't want to see aka what offends them.

    Take for example someone who was raped - a rape scene isn't simply a turn-off, it's something that troubles them to some degree. This person searches, and stumbles upon rape scenes in their search. Horrified, they close the browser window never to return to the site again.

    Many cases won't be as extreme, but if the potential customer keeps coming across stuff that's a turn off, they are going to go somewhere else, despite content they might like lurking in the search shadows.



  • @'elysia':

    I totally agree that at some point it just becomes absurd, meaningless distinctions.

    At some point maybe algorithms will come into play. Ones that could precisely detect your models. Not just measure for breast-size, but exactly how much pre-cum was in that photo!?? 34% hairy pussy detected. Hide from all people who have opted out of seeing more than 30% in their porn. Actually I think by this time we can adjust the amount of pubic hair with our minds in real-time. The possibilities are endless. :)

    I'm against algorithms being a primary method of censoring, if only because I hate algorithms determining what shows up in my feed on Facebook or what Netflix recommends to me (Just because I watched one romantic comedy doesn't mean I want to watch more. Maybe I just watched it because I liked the actors. Or I had a date over. And yet, Netflix's algorithms aren't sophisticated enough to know that, and so they keep recommending other romcoms to me.) I'm not a fan of being catered to or of only being exposed to things I'm already familiar and comfortable with (I realize this puts me at odds with the majority of humanity. Hell, even this thread is mostly people saying what they don't want to be exposed to.) I mean, I'd never even have discovered 3DX if algorithms determined what porn I looked at.

    Yeah it does. No question. I think 3D(X) will eclipse any content we've seen to date, both in terms of amount and content, both good and bad. I don't really think of this as identifying and attacking a problem, as much as an opportunity.

    Agreed. The possibilities are endless and I'm positive there's genres out there that don't even exist yet because some enterprising CG artist hasn't made them yet.

    Must be on the horizon but this search on Google scholar was depressing!

    Actually, your link led me to this, which had some interesting perspectives on categorization. So it's not all bad.



  • @'elysia':

    Yeah I think any simple tag or label system, even though they can get more advanced as mentioned.

    Well, if you start putting AI and algorithms into the deal, it gets complicated, expensive, and privacy advocates (myself included to some extent) tend to just stop using it if it starts getting too creepy with regards to invasion of privacy, or those damn ads that get past ad block filters… that or requiring you to enable them or cookies to use a website. The exceptions I make are ebay and Hentai Foundry.

    I digress, "manual" filtering seems most cost effective and private. Which you pretty much confirmed are your views here:

    I think that should definitely be the central idea. That people 'self-censor' first out of concern, understanding, etc for lack of a better word. I like that idea on so many levels. That people see others being very controlled, considerate, responsible etc with their sexuality, no matter how abnormal their fetishes are.

    So then…

    I totally agree, erring on the side of caution. There could be a lot of dynamics and many thresholds between non-consent and consent.

    Too true, and we're all different even if we like same or similar.

    As I said there either has to be enough there in the material that you could reasonably question if it really is forced or not, OR the story as illustrated must be missing enough to deduce as much.

    Then you have to factor in soundness of mind, and objectively looking at it (and oneself if necessary). Thing is about porn is it usually isn't made to be overthought. Even so, you're still left all like "WTF?!" sometimes. In hentai things are disproportionate if not contradictory.

    …Yeah. I kinda decided I'd just stick with what I know. I've pushed boundaries in other areas too and am confident where I stand. Also have found some things just better left alone, lest you risk messing yourself up with cognitive dissonance which would only make matters more confused.

    Since you have actual experience with being abused (no words :(), maybe you're more aware of those thresholds.

    Only because I've made my peace with it. Otherwise a past victim risks triggering a flashback episode. At the least it becomes an instant turnoff. People with rape fantasy tend to be ignorant and lack any real knowledge or experience with such a thing. While I'd never suggest they go out and have it happen to them, maybe they should read the grim accounts from survivors.

    For me, it can definitely get really hazy sometimes. Especially with people who seem to drift in and out of their faculties. I also worry about 3DX skewing that a bit, arguing that "they're not real".

    To each their own, everyone's creative world is another universe. Even so, I wonder at what point does it start becoming a cop-out?

    Like with the spectrum between non-consent and consent? Say you had a tag with an embedded rating… So consent 0-5, where each level was described in (not so) great detail.

    Such a rating system could be done but it would need objective criteria to escalate or de-escalate.

    Problem being a lot of people just don't tend to read precautions. E-hentai has a nice way for forewarning: on some image sets you get the yellow screen message indicating it's "offensive for everyone" so disregarding the warning means you lose any standing to bitch about it from that point on if you find something you didn't like.

    Sure I agree. Trial and error leading to incremental improvements. So, let's do the experiment. :)

    Unfortunately I don't make the policy.

    That's very true in my case. But I think also in many, if not most. That our thresholds are very dynamic and sensitive. I can suddenly see some trace of reluctance in someone that I didn't see the 400 times I watched it before, and be like "I'm never watching that again". 2 weeks later, I'm watching it, thinking I need to stop being over-sensitive. So yeah.. a moving target for me, within some working area of the spectrum.

    Depends on the day and mood. Sometimes our thresholds are touchy–and not in the good way.

    Sure. It comes with the territory. But I don't think we should let that keep us from mapping the territory to some degree.. and put up warning signs. There be dragons.. with dicks… and stuff.

    Arrgh! What have ye got against well endowed lizardmen?! :D

    I totally agree with that too. Wouldn't want to overprotect anyone. So it's a balancing act. But I'm thinking the more porn producers, distributors and consumers show concern and initiative on these issues, the better. Making porn become more diverse and (in part) mainstream.

    So…what would you have me do in my prospective works to this end?

    I know there's some fairly vanilla stuff which I could do.

    Then there is some more hardcore. I can leave it a sexy mystery or I can try and summarize it for you in general. And still leave it a mostly sexy mystery.

    Then there's parody and lighthearted. While I'm not 100%, I figure some of my freebies will be of popular characters. This tends to offend puritans--I should know, I used to be one.

    Since I'm also mildly bi, I might have a "shemale" category or other. There's limits here, though.

    Yeah I definitely think that's in everyone's best interest too… to somehow understand the preferences of others, to a point. Then again, up to a point it's a bit sexy that it's all shrouded in mystery too.

    I believe the saying is "You have a point to a point." Nobody likes a nasty surprise that is uncalled for. Then again, like they say in 4chan, "If a poster is being a faggot, then report to the mods and flag it" If the artist is lame for not warning you about scat (which is typically banned here anyways), let Supro or one of his mods know so they can beat the poster silly with an "ugly stick".

    No tit emoticon. Even on here.. what happened.
    Memes… there's another thing that should be filtered into oblivion.

    You're never going to get rid of memes. :) Especially ascendant ones:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxKj_CmtHRI
    Which became
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpFixFVNE6s

    Scooooooter brother!



  • @'Gator762':

    Welcome Elysia. :)

    Thanks!

    Yeah, what Elysia posted is easy, and sounds like she understands tagging. Throw easily-defined tags on the content and let filters do their work. Difficulty is that it will take time to go back and tag existing content.

    Yeah that would be the hardest part maybe. But a problem that only increases exponentially with 3DX I think.

    Note she mentions for the serious stuff, and that it would be cool to get granular. I think she understands the difficulty in granularity comes in with dealing with the grey areas. For example, what exactly are exaggerated proportions?

    Yeah. Touched on it above but I think it's an incremental thing. And wouldn't know if Affect3D is the best place to begin. Just don't know a lot of 3DX sites, and I guess this is the main or best one, considering the content.

    Basic categorization can also help sales in the store.

    Just in that people would be more likely to find what they wanted to buy or? Makes sense to me.

    Like ~ArgonCyanide777, forced rape is a turn-off for me. Even with digital people that aren't real, there's a programmed empathy that kicks in thinking it must be absolutely terrible for the recipient.

    Me too. Many seem able to, and it could even be a skill to develop, but I can't really compartmentalize and distinguish between what's in my mind, staged (with real people, CG or what not) and reality enough to be desirous of something in one place, but not the other. Like when people say they have 'rape fantasies'. Even though I guess that's mostly just people mislabeling, where they really are fantasizing about being 'forcefully persuaded' like Argon mentions. But then it's a matter of how aggressive that persuasion could be before it constitutes rape again. Or people who didn't register it in the moment, but later realize they were raped. All this gray area…

    Also male gay content. I'm not a homophobe, but to me it's nasty. Again, some biological programming is probably kicking in, since seeing a nude male body is OK and I can watch a guy banging a chick no problem, but two guys? Ew.

    :)

    Back to the point, if I'm trying to browse a store, and I keep seeing things that are turn offs or worse to me, I'm going to go elsewhere.

    Same here.. but in some cases you go back and then try to avoid stuff you don't want to see. At some point you put little stickers on your screen to hide the areas where those unwanted things are more likely to appear.. Or am I the only one who does that?



  • @'~ArgonCyanide777':

    I think much of what you speak to could be resolved or at least alleviated by a labeling system such as luscious, e-hentai, the network of various "Booru" sites and similar sites like sankaku complex.

    Yeah I think any simple tag or label system, even though they can get more advanced as mentioned.

    If you don't know, ask artists or other connoisseurs who create it. I've chatted with several, some even producing stuff I don't like. Haven't told most of them directly, but I am aware of it.

    I think that should definitely be the central idea. That people 'self-censor' first out of concern, understanding, etc for lack of a better word. I like that idea on so many levels. That people see others being very controlled, considerate, responsible etc with their sexuality, no matter how abnormal their fetishes are.

    For example among other fetishes I abhor, absolute nonconsent is one, as opposed to nonconsent/reluctance where there is hints the 'victim' on the receiving end might have created this situation and implies consent on some level but perhaps may not be spelled out explicitly.
    Absolute nonconsent on the other hand is where the aggressor totally, forcibly has his or her way. To hell with the people on the receiving end and anyone else concerned. This I especially can't stand because I suffered sexual abuse when I was young. However I've made my peace enough to understand there's a difference.

    I totally agree, erring on the side of caution. There could be a lot of dynamics and many thresholds between non-consent and consent. Since you have actual experience with being abused (no words :(), maybe you're more aware of those thresholds. For me, it can definitely get really hazy sometimes. Especially with people who seem to drift in and out of their faculties. I also worry about 3DX skewing that a bit, arguing that "they're not real".

    Give us a concise summary on your ideas of what that means.

    Like with the spectrum between non-consent and consent? Say you had a tag with an embedded rating… So consent 0-5, where each level was described in (not so) great detail.

    With all due respect, even then it's still largely a matter of trial and error. Hentai Foundry has a fairly comprehensive system for filtering.

    Sure I agree. Trial and error leading to incremental improvements. So, let's do the experiment. :)

    Sounds to me like you ain't really explored your personal nitty-gritty to get a feel for where your thresholds may lie. What you have to understand is a lot of dominance and submission is implicitly consensual. Bondage…have to admit I'm not particularly keen on it myself. Limited interest at best--Kami Tora's stuff and that's pushing it.

    That's very true in my case. But I think also in many, if not most. That our thresholds are very dynamic and sensitive. I can suddenly see some trace of reluctance in someone that I didn't see the 400 times I watched it before, and be like "I'm never watching that again". 2 weeks later, I'm watching it, thinking I need to stop being over-sensitive. So yeah.. a moving target for me, within some working area of the spectrum.

    Unfortunately we're all exposed to some stuff we don't like. With freedom of expression comes stuff you probably don't want to see.

    Sure. It comes with the territory. But I don't think we should let that keep us from mapping the territory to some degree.. and put up warning signs. There be dragons.. with dicks… and stuff.

    We have rules on stuff which is definitely NOT allowed.

    Good! I think it's most important to have that, no matter what. That it be clear to everyone where that line goes. The idea of filtering definitely shouldn't come at the cost of people being more confused about the fact that there's some lower boundary.

    Also bear in mind advertisers make agreements with hosts renting servers that they will pull their ads and stop financially supporting any site that violates laws about porn and the participants' appearance of being under-aged. There's laws from local up through international regulating this and agreements are often a condition for many advertisers before they can get a license to start buying ad space and selling products.

    You can hit back by reporting flagrantly illegal stuff. If you threaten their pocketbook they would be more responsive than threatening them personally–which can get law enforcement knocking your door PDQ.

    I wasn't so much aware of all that. But agreed that's definitely the best way to root out and stem anything that's completely unacceptable.

    Well, even without labels and categories, I would think you can narrow searches with certain words–couldn't you?

    Sure. But if you go to porn sites, you'll most often get confronted with stuff before you can search for anything. With something like profile-based filtering, that wouldn't be as much of an issue.

    Even with searches, some seem motivated to 'break' searches, tags, filtering, etc enough to get their content noticed. I don't think you can ever really safeguard against that. I guess that's where user flagging and stuff like that comes in.

    While I don't doubt exposure before a certain age tends to "whack out" people, there also is a need for honest dialogue to some extent in parenting, and educating as well.

    I totally agree with that too. Wouldn't want to overprotect anyone. So it's a balancing act. But I'm thinking the more porn producers, distributors and consumers show concern and initiative on these issues, the better. Making porn become more diverse and (in part) mainstream.

    I've found some of the folks I like here have done stuff I don't like or agree with. Fine. Take it or leave it.

    And even some folks I wasn't sure about or who made stuff I didn't like…they aren't bad folks once I've tried ot open a dialogue with them. Take some time and understand those who like what you don't. It won't change your opinion and you've likely made up your mind about such works, but you'd be surprised what kinds of people like what.

    Yeah I definitely think that's in everyone's best interest too… to somehow understand the preferences of others, to a point. Then again, up to a point it's a bit sexy that it's all shrouded in mystery too.

    Give us an inappropriate selfie of your tits so we can make embarrassing memes about you strictly for lulz.Big Grin

    No tit emoticon. Even on here.. what happened.
    Memes… there's another thing that should be filtered into oblivion.



  • @'dr3nchd':

    I ultimately think this comes down to individual sellers, however.

    I totally agree that at some point it just becomes absurd, meaningless distinctions.

    I guess it's the line between 'self-censoring' and being censored, for lack of better terms.
    But it could be a combination. I.e. you submit it, having categorized and labeled it to the best of your abilities, and then some moderator(s) (poor souls) could adjust, approve, etc.

    At some point maybe algorithms will come into play. Ones that could precisely detect your models. Not just measure for breast-size, but exactly how much pre-cum was in that photo!?? 34% hairy pussy detected. Hide from all people who have opted out of seeing more than 30% in their porn. Actually I think by this time we can adjust the amount of pubic hair with our minds in real-time. The possibilities are endless. :)

    But maybe we can find a balance, and work in increments until that perfect system comes along.

    I think this extends to the internet as a whole, though.

    Yeah it does. No question. I think 3D(X) will eclipse any content we've seen to date, both in terms of amount and content, both good and bad. I don't really think of this as identifying and attacking a problem, as much as an opportunity.

    So long as it's not taken to some logical extreme, I think curation and targeted ads, presentation, etc of 'graphic' content will only help society, the industry and all subsets of it.
    Just look to any solution like Netflix for an example of that. People are more likely to stay, watch, buy, etc.
    You could argue that it's already been like that for ages in a crude way through fetish sites I guess…

    I think this is pretty cool, too, and I wish there was more outside, unbiased research being conducted on this unique facet of our field. The research papers would be fascinating…

    Must be on the horizon but this search on Google scholar was depressing!

    I agree with most of this, except the "profit" part. Just from a time perspective, it takes an afternoon to, say, shoot an erotic photoshoot, whereas this render engine is going to take at least that long for 2-3 pics. It's hard to make that time frame profitable against just telling another human what awkward position to get into and instantly capturing that.

    Yeah I see your point. Could take some time. Where's my quantum computer…
    I guess some of it might be recouped by the fact that 3DX offers much hotter talent, scenarios, etc on average.
    I guess they will converge.. that many studios will want to hire actual people for motion tracking, interaction, etc... Not sure if there's any of that happening, but with all the VR stuff, it wouldn't be surprising if that happens very soon. Not at Miro-quality, no. :)

    As another facet of human sexuality, I think you've raised some interesting points. I'm not sure if they can ever become actionable, but the speculation is interesting at least.

    Thanks. I can see how it would be actionable on individual sites like this, but not as some uniform movement that would cover all porn or just 3DX sites. Not until some governing body could enforce it or there was some super easy way to tag content across sites, etc. Like file metadata that was easier to use than not. Even I'm not that naive!



  • @'SinCyprine':

    approved
    We've already had a thread about tagging content and i think the store reflects it.
    More tagging could prove usefull but i guess its also a lot of work. (see http://affect3d.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4839 )

    Interesting. Yeah there's definitely some work involved, depending on the technology 'stack' your site is using and even if you can find some open source project to use as a starting point. It can become really complicated depending on the structure you want. If it's not just flat tags but some type of or relational thing (tag groups or hierarchies).

    welcome to the forum Elysia !

    Thanks!



  • The part I take issue with is the "young, developing mind" comment.

    At no time should children be exposed to - or have the desire to find - porn of any type. I know it happens. I know there are minors on every site that shows T&A and everything in between. This is an issue the parents have to address, as it's one of the primary reasons there are such groups out there who wish to eliminate all forms of porn, even soft-core and romance novels (i.e. ravish in a romance novel means rape).

    Artists in all fields should be able to explore whatever concepts enter their head, but Artists have to know themselves what can and cannot be made available for view outside of their own personal studio/computer. If an artist wants to write stories or render 3D images of children having consensual sex with each other and/or adults, I do not suggest posting it for others to see.
    However, I feel the same way about snuff and other sex+violence (cutting, rape, physical assault during sex, etc) and Animalia (furries and humans). I don't believe such works inspire someone to commit such acts who would otherwise not consider them, nor do I believe they serve as triggers for those who are predisposed to committing those acts IRL, nor do I see those works as approval for those who would commit such acts in reality, nor do I believe that everyone who explores that subject matter through art would pursue that if given the chance in reality. It's simply not something I like to see. Some people don't want their peas touching their mashed potatoes, but they enjoy peas and mashed potatoes equally. Same thing here IMO.



  • @'~ArgonCyanide777':

    The way I go about it was actually inspired by the comedian Ron White. Three lists:
    What you will do.
    What you won't do.
    Maybe.

    For the grey areas ask yourself pertinent questions about uncertain fetishes:
    What's attractive? What's appalling? Where's the line drawn, personally? When is something attractive and when is it not? In what ways does it conflict with who I am? How far am I willing to accommodate tastes and fetishes? Is this new fetish worth the changes I'd have to make personally?

    Seems to be a workable way of dissecting stuff.

    And, hey, I like blood and gore, whether it's dark humor of slasher flicks or a much deeper justice of the Saw movies or I Spit On Your Grave. A different kind of adult entertainment, different context from sexual.

    I happen across something I don't like? Inspiration.

    That might be where you let the grey area be grey.

    The black and white easily definable stuff, filter it out.

    For example, for me I don't expect to ever change not liking rape and gay scenes, why continually subject myself to it. It's why lots of the porn sites have the tags, deliver to the customers what they want, and they'll be back for more.



  • The way I go about it was actually inspired by the comedian Ron White. Three lists:
    What you will do.
    What you won't do.
    Maybe.

    For the grey areas ask yourself pertinent questions about uncertain fetishes:
    What's attractive? What's appalling? Where's the line drawn, personally? When is something attractive and when is it not? In what ways does it conflict with who I am? How far am I willing to accommodate tastes and fetishes? Is this new fetish worth the changes I'd have to make personally?

    Seems to be a workable way of dissecting stuff.

    And, hey, I like blood and gore, whether it's dark humor of slasher flicks or a much deeper justice of the Saw movies or I Spit On Your Grave. A different kind of adult entertainment, different context from sexual.

    I happen across something I don't like? Inspiration.



  • @'elysia':

    I'd like to know what you all think about how 3DX porn should be categorized and delineated here and elsewhere in the future. About the importance of categorizing and delineating it, both in and of itself and compared to 'real' porn.

    If it were just a text-blurb and some tags to denote any serious aberrations. Violence, Threat of violence, etc. and types of those. I'm not looking to go super-granular, but it would be cool if you could get more and more granular, in line with people's preferences....

    Love and lust,
    Elysia

    Welcome Elysia. :)

    Yeah, what Elysia posted is easy, and sounds like she understands tagging. Throw easily-defined tags on the content and let filters do their work. Difficulty is that it will take time to go back and tag existing content.

    Note she mentions for the serious stuff, and that it would be cool to get granular. I think she understands the difficulty in granularity comes in with dealing with the grey areas. For example, what exactly are exaggerated proportions?

    Basic categorization can also help sales in the store.

    Like ~ArgonCyanide777, forced rape is a turn-off for me. Even with digital people that aren't real, there's a programmed empathy that kicks in thinking it must be absolutely terrible for the recipient. Also male gay content. I'm not a homophobe, but to me it's nasty. Again, some biological programming is probably kicking in, since seeing a nude male body is OK and I can watch a guy banging a chick no problem, but two guys? Ew.

    Back to the point, if I'm trying to browse a store, and I keep seeing things that are turn offs or worse to me, I'm going to go elsewhere.



  • @'elysia':

    I'd like to know what you all think about how 3DX porn should be categorized and delineated here and elsewhere in the future.

    I think much of what you speak to could be resolved or at least alleviated by a labeling system such as luscious, e-hentai, the network of various "Booru" sites and similar sites like sankaku complex.

    If you don't know, ask artists or other connoisseurs who create it. I've chatted with several, some even producing stuff I don't like. Haven't told most of them directly, but I am aware of it.

    For example among other fetishes I abhor, absolute nonconsent is one, as opposed to nonconsent/reluctance where there is hints the 'victim' on the receiving end might have created this situation and implies consent on some level but perhaps may not be spelled out explicitly.
    Absolute nonconsent on the other hand is where the aggressor totally, forcibly has his or her way. To hell with the people on the receiving end and anyone else concerned. This I especially can't stand because I suffered sexual abuse when I was young. However I've made my peace enough to understand there's a difference.

    brevity
    I totally get that it's hard to find that balance, of how much to hide stuff away, especially for someone who wants to spread this type of pornography for money or some idealistic reason, but hopefully there's some interest and use in discussing it.

    Give us a concise summary on your ideas of what that means.

    For example with me, I come here looking for pretty normal, consensual stuff, but I'm exposed to a lot of stuff I'm not personally comfortable with, like certain variants of BDSM, storylines, exaggerated bodyparts, interpersonal dynamics, etc. If it were just a text-blurb and some tags to denote any serious aberrations. Violence, Threat of violence, etc. and types of those. I'm not looking to go super-granular, but it would be cool if you could get more and more granular, in line with people's preferences.

    With all due respect, even then it's still largely a matter of trial and error. Hentai Foundry has a fairly comprehensive system for filtering.

    Sounds to me like you ain't really explored your personal nitty-gritty to get a feel for where your thresholds may lie. What you have to understand is a lot of dominance and submission is implicitly consensual. Bondage…have to admit I'm not particularly keen
    on it myself. Limited interest at best--Kami Tora's stuff and that's pushing it.

    It would be great to have a lot more control over that on most any porn site I've visited, because I've been exposed to some truly abusive, coaxed, manipulated, exploitative stuff that I personally think is abhorrent and shouldn't exist. Both on-site and through pop-ups and false links, especially in my youth before I settled on some trusted sites that still challenge my sensibilities as it were.

    Unfortunately we're all exposed to some stuff we don't like. With freedom of expression comes stuff you probably don't want to see.

    We have rules on stuff which is definitely NOT allowed.

    Also bear in mind advertisers make agreements with hosts renting servers that they will pull their ads and stop financially supporting any site that violates laws about porn and the participants' appearance of being under-aged. There's laws from local up through international regulating this and agreements are often a condition for many advertisers before they can get a license to start buying ad space and selling products.

    You can hit back by reporting flagrantly illegal stuff. If you threaten their pocketbook they would be more responsive than threatening them personally–which can get law enforcement knocking your door PDQ.

    Though uh, it's sure nice when a shit talker on a forum is dumb enough to reveal just enough about who he is that you can track him down or have any number of ways of getting back at him.

    I can only think that with 3DX porn, we'll be exposed to more than we are conceptu- or mentally ready for. Sexuality is a pretty complex, sensitive subject, right.

    Well, even without labels and categories, I would think you can narrow searches with certain words–couldn't you?

    Some people can handle what others can't. Even just being exposed to the idea of something can send some into a tailspin for the rest of their lives, where they could have for instance some automatic negative thought issue surrounding that idea, which makes them unsure, confused and anxious as to what it says about them. Either in their having the idea, or their inability to deal with it. This is something that can truly damage a young, developing mind.

    This is not to moralize, in any way, shape or form. I would say I'm pretty demented by some standards. I'm here, after all. I just want people to be as selectively aware as possible. That they could even completely filter out what they don't (want to explore if they) like.

    While I don't doubt exposure before a certain age tends to "whack out" people, there also is a need for honest dialogue to some extent in parenting, and educating as well.

    Hey, what's wrong with being here? In a lot of ways an adult forum avoids drama and bullshit of PG-13 forums. The only way it gets more open and honest in discussion is if you have imageboards which allow anonymous posting. There's also a lot more trolling, flame wars, spam, bullshit, and inane "faggotry of teh internets".

    I see 3DX porn as having massive potential in exploring and understanding human sexuality. In actually combating abuse. I also think it's pretty fucking rad to think about the future, where more and more people will probably sell- and share content from which people can make completely custom material. Again not being exposed to more than they bargained for.

    Again, talk to the artist. Disclosure could save ya a lot of hassle.

    As a sign of mutual concern for the subject and each other.

    It takes reaching out to one another for sure.

    I've found some of the folks I like here have done stuff I don't like or agree with. Fine. Take it or leave it.

    And even some folks I wasn't sure about or who made stuff I didn't like…they aren't bad folks once I've tried ot open a dialogue with them. Take some time and understand those who like what you don't. It won't change your opinion and you've likely made up your mind about such works, but you'd be surprised what kinds of people like what.

    Love and lust,
    Elysia

    Give us an inappropriate selfie of your tits so we can make embarrassing memes about you strictly for lulz.:D



  • @'elysia':

    For example with me, I come here looking for pretty normal, consensual stuff, but I'm exposed to a lot of stuff I'm not personally comfortable with, like certain variants of BDSM, storylines, exaggerated bodyparts, interpersonal dynamics, etc. If it were just a text-blurb and some tags to denote any serious aberrations. Violence, Threat of violence, etc. and types of those. I'm not looking to go super-granular, but it would be cool if you could get more and more granular, in line with people's preferences.

    I ultimately think this comes down to individual sellers, however. Because the old adage about porn - "I know it when I see it." - applies to many of those things you mentioned as well. What exactly is an "exaggerated body part," for instance? The character I'm working on has ridiculously large breasts (so much so that they're annoying to pose and what the hell was I thinking), but I don't think it crosses over into the whole "expansion" genre. And yet, Renderotica tells me that the measurements of my character requires it to go into the BBW genre, despite the fact that the cover model on Sports Illustrated's recent swimsuit issue is definitely larger around the waist than my character (Not that I have anything against Ashley Graham. I celebrate her entire catalog). So, I think it's cool for individuals, or marketplaces, to have guidelines in place, but it'd be downright impossible to regulate a whole field.

    I can only think that with 3DX porn, we'll be exposed to more than we are conceptu- or mentally ready for. Sexuality is a pretty complex, sensitive subject, right. Some people can handle what others can't. Even just being exposed to the idea of something can send some into a tailspin for the rest of their lives, where they could have for instance some automatic negative thought issue surrounding that idea, which makes them unsure, confused and anxious as to what it says about them. Either in their having the idea, or their inability to deal with it. This is something that can truly damage a young, developing mind.

    I think this extends to the internet as a whole, though. Things the internet has exposed me to extend way past pornography, and I often wish I hadn't seen those things either. So, while I agree there's some concerns, I don't think attacking the problem in a tiny genre of a much larger phenomenon will necessarily alleviate those concerns.

    I see 3DX porn as having massive potential in exploring and understanding human sexuality. In actually combating abuse. I also think it's pretty fucking rad to think about the future, where more and more people will probably sell- and share content from which people can make completely custom material. Again not being exposed to more than they bargained for.

    I think this is pretty cool, too, and I wish there was more outside, unbiased research being conducted on this unique facet of our field. The research papers would be fascinating…

    With that, I think it could get real momentum and blow actual porn out of the water, when it comes to profits, criticism, effectiveness in exploring and managing human sexuality, etc. Yeah I know contention seemingly promotes porn use, but there's still going to be a lot of that, considering what some of you are making and consuming!

    I agree with most of this, except the "profit" part. Just from a time perspective, it takes an afternoon to, say, shoot an erotic photoshoot, whereas this render engine is going to take at least that long for 2-3 pics. It's hard to make that time frame profitable against just telling another human what awkward position to get into and instantly capturing that.

    . Is this an issue of interest to anyone except me?

    As another facet of human sexuality, I think you've raised some interesting points. I'm not sure if they can ever become actionable, but the speculation is interesting at least.



  • approved
    We've already had a thread about tagging content and i think the store reflects it.
    More tagging could prove usefull but i guess its also a lot of work. (see http://affect3d.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4839 )

    welcome to the forum Elysia !


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