The NEW WIP Post Girlfriends 4 Ever DLC thread [TROLL FREE Edition]



  • @'miro':

    specifically going over the sound issues currently, so far I have on the todo list:

    1. music too loud? anybody else feel that way? in all main scenes or particular ones? interestingly enough Tiaz our musician felt the opposite :)
    2. inconsistent volume? any particular scenes? or volume differences between original and DLC?
    3. issue with POV missionary sound looping, will adjust (thanks to who submitted this)
    4. Tara sucking to wet in DLC1? anybody else feel that way?

    also let me know if any other issues :)

    ye. to me the music was a little loud overall. in the main scenes.

    and as for Tara sucking Sayako…..too wet who said this. that's impossible can never be too wet and sloppy :P


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    specifically going over the sound issues currently, so far I have on the todo list:

    1. music too loud? anybody else feel that way? in all main scenes or particular ones? interestingly enough Tiaz our musician felt the opposite :)
    2. inconsistent volume? any particular scenes? or volume differences between original and DLC?
    3. issue with POV missionary sound looping, will adjust (thanks to who submitted this)
    4. Tara sucking to wet in DLC1? anybody else feel that way?

    also let me know if any other issues :)


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    @'IBT':

    Took me about 12 hours or so to run through all the DLC 1&2 video files. That's kind of why I was curious if it was of any value to you or not. If it wasn't then I'd know not to bother in the future.

    yes very helpful, thanks

    @'IBT':

    Again, I don't think that more close up shots are necessary. I think that different camera positions (and movements) are necessary. This is why I suspect that alternative camera use will serve you better than yet more work on fluid dynamics. The animation of Tara and Sayako (aside from the errors I found, naturally) are top notch and very commendable! But I just want to take control of the camera away and line up a different angle on the same action so as to be able to SEE what I'm really interested in seeing while the action is happening.

    well good facial shot in general are difficult, both Tara & Sayako have have a limited range of photogenic angles I find, but the connection is important and it's always helpful to get a second opinion on whether there is enough of it


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    @'IBT':

    The upside-down handstand loops would seem to be another decent opportunity, albeit one that allows you to "hide" the actual total length (because the glans just never exits Tara's anus while Sayako keeps humping and pumping). This would be a "short and sweet" change since the loops aren't that long, making this a simple® production edit.

    you mentioned mostly cut scenes, these will take way to long to adjust and render even with "minor" change such as an extra large version of Sayako's dongerino

    I personally like the hand stand position a lot, but it wasn't the most popular in general so I'm reluctant
    any other ideas?

    thinking either the self love scene or DLC2 slow kneel position at this point



  • @'miro':

    wow, you put a lot of work into this

    Took me about 12 hours or so to run through all the DLC 1&2 video files. That's kind of why I was curious if it was of any value to you or not. If it wasn't then I'd know not to bother in the future.

    @'miro':

    can't quite agree with all the conclusions and some were obviously subjective

    Wouldn't expect you to agree with everything. At the same time, I wanted to give you an "unvarnished" version of my impressions and responses to things that were happening in the clips. I tried to differentiate between suggestions, notes and other bits of editorial feedback so as to differentiate (somewhat) between objective and subjective commentaries. I started off being objective only, but then quickly realized that simply doing an "objective critique" focusing only on the negatives and things to fix isn't necessarily all that helpful. I mean, anyone can say "you're doing it wrong" and leave it at that … but it's something quite different to say "I think you made a mistake here, so this is what I think ought to have happened" so as to give you an opportunity to contrast and evaluate the merits and flaws of different options.

    As far as I'm concerned, just saying "I don't like this" isn't enough. You also have to say what you DID want instead of merely what you didn't. Laying out and envisioning alternatives then sparks the sense of VISION for what ought to be happening, instead of what did. So yeah, I strayed from being purely objective into being subjective at times, but usually when I did I tried to note that as being a Personal Wish or the like so as to keep that clear(er).

    @'miro':

    but overall very detailed deconstruction, so props for that, would be great to see you doing QA testing, if that doesn't spoil it for you :)

    I'm not averse to giving feedback prior to publication, as I'm sure you've noticed these past 2+ years whenever you've released a snippet or few of your work. The trouble is, I'm only as "good" at critiquing as what you'll allow me to witness, since I can't judge something prior to running it on my computer.

    So I'm willing to help out with QA prior to publication. Just let me know what you need (and why, and by when). I'm pretty sure you know how to get in touch with me if you need/want to.

    @'miro':

    your points about eye contact interesting, but one thing you can assume is that I've explored dozens and dozens of angles (always including face) and haven't deemed a facial/ eye close-up aesthetically strong enough

    I don't want you to get the impression that faces and eyes need to be visible in EVERY camera angle, since that would be overcompensating. But at the same time, I would argue that 33%/17% for Sayako and 25%/14% for Tara is just too consistently low that it sends a statement of intent by virtue of the framing of the camera shots.

    It would be a mistake to think that there ought to be a "quota" of shots in which the facial expressions can be seen, but if such a benchmark is useful in choosing camera angles, might as well go with it. I'd argue that using the same animation loops present in DLCs 1&2 simply "reshot" from different camera angles and locations would suffice. Ideally, I'd want the face and eyes visible ratio to be up around 50%/25% of the video content, because that gives an "in" to empathizing with the characters emotionally and internally, as opposed to just vicariously (and voyeuristic fashion) "observing" them externally.

    Also, to be clear, when I say Face Can Be Seen as well as Eyes Can Be Seen, I'm not exclusively talking about closeup camera work. I'm also talking about camera positions in which you can see most, if not all, of the character's bodies in addition to the face. Facial expressions can be "seen" from a moderate distance. Eyes can be "read" from a moderate distance also, although it is fair to say that they are easier to read from closer up. Contrast this with poses and camera positions in which hair, or arms or asses (mmmm, Tara's butt! :heart:) get in the way and obscure the face behind them such that they CAN'T be seen because there's something blocking the view.

    Tara deep throating from below in DLC 2 where the camera pans up to Sayako's "oh fuck, I'm losing it…" expression when she looks into the camera is magnificent(!), and that isn't a close up shot at all, and the focus of the shot isn't even of Sayako's face (and eyes) for the entire loop. But it is there and it is present and it allows the viewer to CONNECT with Sayako and feel what she's feeling rather than just watching what Tara is doing to her.

    @'miro':

    imo, the models aren't detailed enough to get good facial close-ups so I am very selective about close-ups in general and particularly eyes and expressions, expressions in general is an area I think I need to work on, so it's harder getting good shots than you might think

    Again, I don't think that more close up shots are necessary. I think that different camera positions (and movements) are necessary. This is why I suspect that alternative camera use will serve you better than yet more work on fluid dynamics. The animation of Tara and Sayako (aside from the errors I found, naturally) are top notch and very commendable! But I just want to take control of the camera away and line up a different angle on the same action so as to be able to SEE what I'm really interested in seeing while the action is happening.

    @'miro':

    having said that I think more detailed models with future projects should open up more opportunities in that area and I agree in general that focus on expression (and story) is a big deal

    I wouldn't doubt that this is true, however I wonder if you're selling yourself short a bit on what can be done with the models you have (i.e. unrealized potentials). A lot of the time, it doesn't take a whole lot to put a different spin on something as high context as a facial expression or expressive eyes.

    One of the things that I was overjoyed to see in the DLC 2 Trailer was Sayako's wide eyed "OMFG!" look as Tara deep throats Sayako's cock while Sayako is cumming inside of Tara. It's one of those blink and you'll miss it moments … but it's there if you're paying attention.

    Sayako's eyes ... shake ... with feeling(!) ... as Tara stuffs Sayako's erupting cock down her own throat. Sayako's eyes are open, but there's a rapid flicker of motion as Sayako's eyeballs, I suppose you could say "flutter" around in their sockets. Match that up with the wide open mouth and the gasp of shock, surprise and sheer disbelief and you've got a WONDERFUL facial expression! And in both the DLC 2 and the Trailer, if you blink you'll miss it, and it is never repeated.

    Likewise, with Tara deep throating from below in DLC 2, where the camera pans up and looks into Sayako's eyes, while she looks into the camera, there is the profound connection with Sayako, and what she's feeling, that gets established, and it's glorious to see! This time it isn't a "blink and you'll miss it" but it was definitely needed!

    All I'm saying is … more please. :heart::D:heart:

    @'miro':

    @'ammon17':

    Miro shoulda hired IBT (or whoever) to look things over before release, and frankly should 'still' do so.

    hiring someone is also work and and building a pipe line is even more work, but I'm sure we'll get there
    no images are working, so must be Tor?

    "Hired" may be a bit too strong/forceful a term here. A better way to put it is that miro can either get my critique before or after release … so which timing would be more useful to him and his production process?

    There's never time to do it right, but there's always time to do it over. :s



  • @'miro':

    I was thinking of the Sayako self love scene as a candidate, if anyone has a better idea, let me know :)
    sex scene and deep bj won't work cause the dick's buried in Tara anyway, so needs to be a scene where her dick is exposed :)

    Radical proposals:

    Affect3D_G4ES01P00.mp4
    Affect3D_G4ES06P01.mp4
    Affect3D_G4ES05P01A05.swf
    Affect3D_G4ES05P01A06.swf
    Affect3D_G4ES17P01.mp4
    Affect3D_G4ES15P01.mp4
    Affect3D_G4EE15P01.mp4

    The erection during the Kiss scene … I mean ... come on ... that's just BEGGING for the "you can't take this" treatment of a ridiculously oversized schlong. If you want to get excessively comical, when Tara looks up at Sayako's cock with shock/awe/fear right before it topples over onto her, simply make sure that Sayako's cock is SO LONG that rather than falling over in front of Tara's face, it instead falls over and pats her on the head … and Tara just stops, and looks up at Sayako's cock (eyes crossing to focus on the shaft leaning onto her head) with a look of "well, this is making it onto the blooper reel" on her face. DO IT. You KNOW you WANT to ... :heart:

    Another opportunity would be the G4E "cooldown" before Sayako decides which DLC she wants to participate in where Tara is just kissing Sayako's balls. This time, angle for the subtle comedy of Sayako saying "you made my cock SO HARD, now I'm exhausted" when she's got a ridiculously oversized dick that Tara is STILL fascinated by.

    The upside-down handstand loops would seem to be another decent opportunity, albeit one that allows you to "hide" the actual total length (because the glans just never exits Tara's anus while Sayako keeps humping and pumping). This would be a "short and sweet" change since the loops aren't that long, making this a simple(r) production edit.

    Playing around with Sayako's (oversized) cock after deciding if she's going to suck herself seems to be another opportunity, so there's this FUCKING TREE growing out of Sayako's crotch with she and Tara discuss the (absurd?) idea of Sayako sucking her own cock. Extra bonus for having Tara "push" Sayako's cock (shaft) into Sayako's face while licking her way up the shaft, only to discover that the glans is actually higher than Sayako's eyes now and the shaft comes to rest against Sayako's face, with Sayako kissing the shaft rather than the tip. Alternatively, there's the handjob that Tara gives Sayako to get her erect while Sayako sits on the edge of the couch. Again, this would be an opportunity to play up the "surprise" of discovering that Sayako gets BIGGER when fully erect than anticipated, although to a less comical effect this time.

    And the last one is somewhat unusual, although it also falls (kinda sorta) into the "self love" category. You could put an overly long schlong onto Sayako while Lyvia is "princess carry" cradling and necking with Tara while Sayako watches.



  • @'miro':

    sex scene and deep bj won't work cause the dick's buried in Tara anyway, so needs to be a scene where her dick is exposed :)

    So… what's the stance on the penetration scene?
    @'Self84':

    https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx6bx4Lr0MpNY2ZPOUNTWlpyenc/view?pli=1

    About the exposed part in this scene.. I mean it's basically out… in the begining at least. :angel: :P


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    @'femalefutafan':

    this has already been said. but if you ever make more of this (no doubt you will) if at any time a bj scene is a thing again, more wet and sloppy sounds will go a long ways

    pretty sure someone complained that Tara's blowing was too wet? maybe it was just that one scene
    I do like sloppy wet, but it's a bit tricky for voice actresses to get the sound effects right :)
    in fact I've noticed a specialization, some va's are better at voice some better at sfx/ moaning mostly not both though

    @'ammon17':

    Oh… and it would be really cool if the next side project--short vid you produce, could be an animation of Tara & Sayako against the pillars. Danke

    actually I got as far as test animating a couple of the column scenes, but not enough time to finish them

    @'ammon17':

    I'm thinking perhaps: Sayako walking and stopping with a jumbo dick… Imagine a super close zoom in on that "Needlessly Large Rod".

    hmm, thinking some interaction though… actually the one where she walks and stops her dick is already slightly bigger I believe... but I'm guessing even bigger, lol



  • @'miro':

    …if anyone has a better idea, let me know :)

    I'm thinking perhaps: Sayako walking and stopping with a jumbo dick… Imagine a super close zoom in on that "Needlessly Large Rod". ;)

    Oh... and it would be really cool if the next side project--short vid you produce, could be an animation of Tara & Sayako against the pillars. Danke :sleepy:

    Oh, and super-size the fries. :D



  • @'miro':

    two scenes I missed for the DLC releases which I promised I believe

    one of them knowingly which was the pile-driver scene, uses a different rendering process so it was missed with the the regular rendering, when I remembered to get back to it, I dropped it in favor of dealing with other issues
    have rendered out the scene now though, so it's being added to the patch

    the monster shlong I simply forgot about during the lengthy release process, my bad :(
    but since I promised it, I'll add it in the patch of course

    I was thinking of the Sayako self love scene as a candidate, if anyone has a better idea, let me know :)
    sex scene and deep bj won't work cause the dick's buried in Tara anyway, so needs to be a scene where her dick is exposed :)

    awesome no doubt some people will be happy about this.

    any idea on the patch release. rough idea, near the end of December?

    this has already been said. but if you ever make more of this (no doubt you will) if at any time a bj scene is a thing again, more wet and sloppy sounds will go a long ways:)


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    two scenes I missed for the DLC releases which I promised I believe

    one of them knowingly which was the pile-driver scene, uses a different rendering process so it was missed with the the regular rendering, when I remembered to get back to it, I dropped it in favor of dealing with other issues
    have rendered out the scene now though, so it's being added to the patch

    the monster shlong I simply forgot about during the lengthy release process, my bad :(
    but since I promised it, I'll add it in the patch of course

    I was thinking of the Sayako self love scene as a candidate, if anyone has a better idea, let me know :)
    sex scene and deep bj won't work cause the dick's buried in Tara anyway, so needs to be a scene where her dick is exposed :)


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