The WIP Post Girlfriends 4 Ever DLC thread



  • Alright, so here is my take on the whole shabang. And, btw, yes, I realize that I'm a nobody on this forum, but here goes anyway.

    It's brilliant.

    It's more than that, it's an artistic achievement.

    It could have been better.

    I may not be the leading expert on futa 3DX but the stuff I know is utter and complete trash 9 out 10 times and 11 out of 10 times when compared to Miro's work. Miro is simply waaaaay better than any other 3DX artist out there when it comes to animation and especially facial expression. So people rating stuff 0.5 out 5 are entitled to their opinion but that can really only be true if the absolute majority of the competition is rated 0.000005 out of 5 because Miro is just that far ahead of the others.

    HOWEVER.

    We are obviously not comparing Miro to other people, we are comparing Miro to Miro and especially to G4E and I can see how people would find it somewhat disconcerting that, after having waited for two years, they did not get the exact product that they were hoping for. I did not get that either and frankly it would have probably been impossible to deliver. That is my main point and I think Miro is reacting in the exact right way: The release event was loads of BS. Don't EVER do that again. It's not like you promised to bring down the heavens to us pervs but that is what we pervs expected after two years and what you delivered was an outstanding but quite earthly piece of erotic animation.

    All in all, let me say it again: The DLCs are fantastic, there is nothing out there that is even in the same league and I sincerely hope that you continue providing the community with this high quality standard of yours. Just, you know, next time don't raise expectations to a point you cannot satisfy.

    In ceterum censeo, remove the damn balls… :P



  • Back in June of 2014(!) … we were treated to a series of cumshot tests. They can be found ...

    Here
    Here
    Here
    Here
    … and Here.

    For those people who don't remember, this is what I'm referring to:

    You'll need to click the links I've provided in order to get to the posts with the videos in them to see the tests that miro was doing back in June 2014. As miro explained at the time, Sayako was "frozen" in the pose because these were purely fluid tests.

    Looking back on those test videos, I'm thinking that (in retrospect) affect3d_girlfriends4ever_dlc1_189.mp4 and affect3d_girlfriends4ever_dlc1_190.mp4 were the closest approach to the preferred fluid of the options presented. 189 was just a little too "watery" and broke apart too quickly/easily and 190 was just a little bit too heavy/thick/goop-y, so the direction to go in would have been to find something of a middle ground in between 189 and 190 (yay hindsight!).

    But look at what the fluid is DOING upon touching surfaces! It's STICKING! Even more importantly, it's clinging to vertical surfaces (yay Pillar of Civilization!).

    Contrast that with what we see in DLCs 1&2 as releases, where the cum either pours out (completely) or just BOUNCES OFF surfaces, with totally non-stick attributes.

    But beyond even that … notice how Sayako is posed in this image. It's one that involves cum fountaining DOWN onto her prone form. This maximizes the available horizontal surface area for her cum to splash/splatter onto and get stuck in place, offering the simulation (although maybe not actuality) of stickiness. Point being that if cum doesn't "cling" to surfaces (like the insides of mouths) then the fluid very quickly gets labeled as NOT CUM and there is a unconscious desire to label the fluid dynamics either broken or fake ... which then causes structural problems in the Suspension Of Disbelief Bridge (enough to bring it down, for some of us).

    Which is a long winded way of saying that I think you got a bit too overly ambitious with the POSING involved in your cumshots, miro. You went for vertical posing (of Sayako and Tara) rather than relying on the "tried and true" horizontal/prone posing that worked so successfully in G4E.

    I honestly think that if you'd gone with a different posing and animation of Sayako and Tara for the cumshots, you'd have been able to use the fluid simulation (settings you wound up using) AS IS and "get away with it" simply by changing the postures and posing of what the fluid simulation was trying to inter(re)act with. Consequently, I'd recommend that going forward ... until you've "licked" (and sucked and eaten an- I'm sorry, where was I?) the problems and challenges of finding the right setting to make cum fluids STICK onto surfaces they hit, you'd be better off keeping the "receiver" of cumshots in your work in more of a prone position than an upright one ... assuming you don't switch over to INTERNAL cumshots and creampies instead.



  • Haha, thanks! If you want me to help you out with some pointers, hit me up on Tumblr or send me a PM here. Not gonna derail this thread ;)

    @blackjr:

    Well damn, and here I thought you were cool The Dude LOL. I mean I know SFM futa is no where near as good as Miro's stuff but if anything else its good enough to fap to at least. I mean that's all I make it for.

    Hah! No, don't worry man. I like what you make. Actually what I was specifically referring to was the stuff I found on my search through Bing and Google, I came across some truly dire futa anims that way. Nothing that you made. Don't worry about it. Most SFM stuff isn't "god awful" at all, I think a lot of those artists do really good work with the resources that they have. But obviously G4E is a level above that. I should've been clearer though, specifying what I ran into. It's this: http://www.xvideos.com/video13517969/3d_futanari_selfsuck_and_huge_self_facial_

    I mean I'm sure some people get off to that but let's not pretend it comes anywhere near what Miro's doing. I didn't mean to put any other artists down. Heat of the moment, I swear!



  • @'The:

    I'm again gonna disagree with the severity of the problem as stated above. People were "severely let down" by bad framerate, bad looping, bad sounds? No. I wasn't. You know what sometimes happens when you read a published novel? There's a typo in it. Somehow that made it past the editor. When you watch a movie? There's a weird cut, or a continuity error due to different takes. Somehow that made it past the editor.

    Miro has to be his own editor, and yes I agree that some of the stuff could've been done better, but let's not talk about being "severely let down" here. Because let's be honest about this: G4E is the best animated futa release, bar none. Show me anything that's better. Last night I hit up Bing (which is the superior porn search engine, I've been informed), as well as Google and a whole bunch of porntubes to see what else the market had to offer that I might've somehow missed.

    Squat.

    Most futa animations have god-awful quality. It's all shit tier SFM stuff or something someone made in Blender's inbuilt render engine. G4E is something else, from the amazing detail on Sayako's cock, to the music and the beautifully written and voice-acted dialogue, to the quality of the animation itself, to the facial expressions of the girls. It's top-fucking-notch, and if you have any measure of objectivity then you acknowledge that. G4E is leagues and leagues beyond anything that's on the market today, so with that in mind we can forgive Miro a few technical mishaps.

    All that said, here's me being critical: yes, I think the DLC's deserve a patch. And more than just a patch that fixes the looping and sound errors (which I've only detected in the DLC POV scenes from the original G4E fucking sequence). IMO for optimal enjoyment, what really ought to happen (and I know this may be asking too much) is that the DLC1 cumshot scene is re-rendered for the cumstream to better connect to Sayako's dick, and for the consistency of the liquid to be better. On top of fixing loops and sound, and adding in the content that the trailers/promo material promised and we didn't get, that's IMO what needs to happen.

    But even if that doesn't happen (because I know that rendering cumshot scenes isn't something you do on a random afternoon), I can be happy with what we got. I'm sorry if other people don't feel the same way. For one guy to do this, even if it took so long, is phenomenal. And really, who cares how long it took? These DLC's will be available for years and years to come, and at some point it won't be relevant at all what the production time was in the first place.

    nothing to do with the occasional ridiculousness here. felt like saying that your image sets are prime. like the textures and content…... idk to me fucking perfect. keep making more.(same with Miro obviously) and I guess this too ... what software do you use. im a fairly fast learner. think I might give this a try (always wanted to) now that I just got my new overkill desktop. why not try now, how I see it.... idk maybe some when down the line I might be able to make something competent.



  • Well damn, and here I thought you were cool The Dude LOL. I mean I know SFM futa is no where near as good as Miro's stuff but if anything else its good enough to fap to at least. I mean that's all I make it for.

    Also I for one bought the Affect 3D Bundle the moment it was available and loved it, The cumshots were the highlight for me. And for some reason I liked DLC 1 cumshot more than DLC 2. Seeing Sayako and Tara go back and forth on Sayako's cock was so hot. Amazing work on that.

    And try not to let what most people say get to you. Some people are gonna hate no matter what you do, believe me I know xD. Just keep doing it for the fans that do love it and support you. That's what I do anyways. You have always been a huge inspiration to me and my work even though SFM is nothing compared to your stuff.

    Anyways I look forward to whatever you have planned next and take your time man, take a vacation if you need to because I am sure this whole thing has drained a lot out of you.



  • I'm again gonna disagree with the severity of the problem as stated above. People were "severely let down" by bad framerate, bad looping, bad sounds? No. I wasn't. You know what sometimes happens when you read a published novel? There's a typo in it. Somehow that made it past the editor. When you watch a movie? There's a weird cut, or a continuity error due to different takes. Somehow that made it past the editor.

    Miro has to be his own editor, and yes I agree that some of the stuff could've been done better, but let's not talk about being "severely let down" here. Because let's be honest about this: G4E is the best animated futa release, bar none. Show me anything that's better. Last night I hit up Bing (which is the superior porn search engine, I've been informed), as well as Google and a whole bunch of porntubes to see what else the market had to offer that I might've somehow missed.

    Squat.

    Most futa animations have god-awful quality. It's all shit tier SFM stuff or something someone made in Blender's inbuilt render engine. G4E is something else, from the amazing detail on Sayako's cock, to the music and the beautifully written and voice-acted dialogue, to the quality of the animation itself, to the facial expressions of the girls. It's top-fucking-notch, and if you have any measure of objectivity then you acknowledge that. G4E is leagues and leagues beyond anything that's on the market today, so with that in mind we can forgive Miro a few technical mishaps.

    All that said, here's me being critical: yes, I think the DLC's deserve a patch. And more than just a patch that fixes the looping and sound errors (which I've only detected in the DLC POV scenes from the original G4E fucking sequence). IMO for optimal enjoyment, what really ought to happen (and I know this may be asking too much) is that the DLC1 cumshot scene is re-rendered for the cumstream to better connect to Sayako's dick, and for the consistency of the liquid to be better. On top of fixing loops and sound, and adding in the content that the trailers/promo material promised and we didn't get, that's IMO what needs to happen.

    But even if that doesn't happen (because I know that rendering cumshot scenes isn't something you do on a random afternoon), I can be happy with what we got. I'm sorry if other people don't feel the same way. For one guy to do this, even if it took so long, is phenomenal. And really, who cares how long it took? These DLC's will be available for years and years to come, and at some point it won't be relevant at all what the production time was in the first place.


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    @'Electroflux':

    I don't disagree with Miro that there is SOME trolling in this thread, but to say that we're all trolling is just disrespectful.

    I said, everyone is trolling?? what?? I pointed out two people so far

    @'Electroflux':

    Let's be real here Miro, Tiffany makes it sound like trolling because she's brutally honest and it can come off as condescending, however, the points are still there. I guarantee a good portion of people who watched this were severely let down because of those issues, mostly the bad framerate, bad looping, bad sounds, etc. Just because people send in emails and so forth saying they appreciate the release and how good it is, doesn't mean it's 100% genuine, it's just praise in hopes you'll keep making more.

    I hope this is a learning experience to Miro but I fear it won't be. I don't think that people will be able to sway Miro from the mindset that his work can never be criticized.

    You're a designer/developer, stay that way. Get other people (like Tiffany said) to do the rest of the work for you. The release of these DLC's took FOR FREAKING EVER to come out and it was a grueling haul for a very lackluster finish. You can understand on that basis alone how people should react.

    as I said she has some valid points, don't disagree with that, I disagree with the fact that these issues result in a 0.5 rating, would you give G4E a 4/5 and the G4E DLCs a 0.5/5, well would you?… I mean you can, but then we have very different perspectives on reality :)

    so wait a sec... the praise I get is not genuine but the trolling is... makes perfect sense ... well I'm glad you guarantee it, cause that definitely makes this a valid statement :) c'mon are you serious?

    I've already addressed the wait issue and the team issue, this is exactly what I mean by trolling... going in circles...



  • @'Charles:

    LONG POST ALARM XD

    I'm sorry people but, after seeing back and forth G4E and then DLCs… I don't get the "third person" feeling. Neither the "worst animation and quality" feeling (except in one/two angles). Heck, not even worst angles, although I understand there's too many of them in each scene XD

    About the thid person feeling. We get to see Tara's and Sayako's face and expressions many times during some loops and scenes, and there is a clear improvement in facial animation. Sometimes we get to have a closeup (Tara ballsucking) and even a quick look AT US (Sayako in fast blowjob). In G4E both of them were stone face, dudes... In DLCs there's a lot of expressions with the mouths and the eyes, not even talking about the bodies themselves. So yes, there IS one positive thing at least. For me there was more immersion in the DLCs because both girls seemed alive, instead of just two stone girls having (GREAT) fun.

    Some comments were pointed to worst animation and quality... I get it with the quality, because sometimes it seems a little bit blurred (the blowjob scene in DLC.01, during a closeup to Tara and Sayako) but man, worst animation? I've seen G4E animations and well, a little bit of hair movement, tits movement, balls movement, abdomen reacting to penis inside... Not much more. In the DLCs there's whole body movement for basically all the scenes, with tits collision, feet and hands seem like actual feet and hands, abdomen's stretching and compacting and I'll stop counting. There are improvements, there are positives things over G4E.

    Finally, the angles and scenes. With the angles there are two problems that I agree with you: Too many loops and even some of the angles are somewhat similar between them, making it superfluous. But, as far as I'm concerned, the angle choices are quite similar to G4E. In the original installment there were also many angles from the distance as in the DLCs, and then some closeups that made us feel close to the girls... Which is a thing that also happens in the DLCs. Maybe is more of a personal thing, but I felt I was there with some of the angle choices.

    But I've said "angle" too many times already, so lets get to the scenes. For me is like day and night, comparing it to G4E. Ok, in the original, the intro scene was really mesmerizing, both of them starting the journey together. But c'mon, DLCs intros were really good. Maybe they had a different feeling, but Sayako being really surprised by Tara's request or Tara having a nice time with Sayako's dick before the blowjob, they were priceless. And the animation quality of those scenes in front of the G4E one was far better. Then we have the cumshots scene. I remind you that in G4E is just the cumshot right away. Was good? Of course. The cum had better quality? Maybe. But the cumshot in both DLCs weren't just cumshots, but a whole scene were both Tara and Sayako dared to do have some playfull time and they seemed like they were really having fun, being very human. In original G4E it was just fucky fucky and cum over ya!. So, personally, I think there was an improvement in the scenes. Another positive thing.

    So, what can I say, objectively there are many good things and, of course, many bad things. Don't make it sound like is a clusterfuck of garbage stuff because is not true, c'mon… Really? XD

    yep what you said. sorta rounds it up.Tiffany did make couple good points. like being lied to that is kinda true. BUT like most of the (don't like) parts from her post were personal preferences. like you cant say otherwise. others have already mentioned some of the bugs and shit.
    is it perfect hell no. is it still an overall improvement, damn right it is.

    only real gripe I have is the cum. but fluid rendering and what not is fucking hard. some people have a full time jobs doing liquid renders. so the fact that Miro can still do a fairly competent job at it is something you don't come across that often. (I have done /helped closely with 4K ENB mods for skyrim, mainly water enhancements) so I do have a small idea on how hard it is…......... at the end of it getting a point across or what you thought of the DLC. don't have to be a complete dick about it. Tiffany went a bit overkill on that part -_-



  • I don't disagree with Miro that there is SOME trolling in this thread, but to say that we're all trolling is just disrespectful.

    Tiffany is right. I don't agree with everything she disliked (but that's her personal taste), like the ball size and I wasn't affected by the consistency of the cum when I first watched it, but the rest is absolutely correct.

    Let's be real here Miro, Tiffany makes it sound like trolling because she's brutally honest and it can come off as condescending, however, the points are still there. I guarantee a good portion of people who watched this were severely let down because of those issues, mostly the bad framerate, bad looping, bad sounds, etc. Just because people send in emails and so forth saying they appreciate the release and how good it is, doesn't mean it's 100% genuine, it's just praise in hopes you'll keep making more.

    I hope this is a learning experience to Miro but I fear it won't be. I don't think that people will be able to sway Miro from the mindset that his work can never be criticized.

    You're a designer/developer, stay that way. Get other people (like Tiffany said) to do the rest of the work for you. The release of these DLC's took FOR FREAKING EVER to come out and it was a grueling haul for a very lackluster finish. You can understand on that basis alone how people should react.



  • LONG POST ALARM XD

    I'm sorry people but, after seeing back and forth G4E and then DLCs… I don't get the "third person" feeling. Neither the "worst animation and quality" feeling (except in one/two angles). Heck, not even worst angles, although I understand there's too many of them in each scene XD

    About the thid person feeling. We get to see Tara's and Sayako's face and expressions many times during some loops and scenes, and there is a clear improvement in facial animation. Sometimes we get to have a closeup (Tara ballsucking) and even a quick look AT US (Sayako in fast blowjob). In G4E both of them were stone face, dudes... In DLCs there's a lot of expressions with the mouths and the eyes, not even talking about the bodies themselves. So yes, there IS one positive thing at least. For me there was more immersion in the DLCs because both girls seemed alive, instead of just two stone girls having (GREAT) fun.

    Some comments were pointed to worst animation and quality... I get it with the quality, because sometimes it seems a little bit blurred (the blowjob scene in DLC.01, during a closeup to Tara and Sayako) but man, worst animation? I've seen G4E animations and well, a little bit of hair movement, tits movement, balls movement, abdomen reacting to penis inside... Not much more. In the DLCs there's whole body movement for basically all the scenes, with tits collision, feet and hands seem like actual feet and hands, abdomen's stretching and compacting and I'll stop counting. There are improvements, there are positives things over G4E.

    Finally, the angles and scenes. With the angles there are two problems that I agree with you: Too many loops and even some of the angles are somewhat similar between them, making it superfluous. But, as far as I'm concerned, the angle choices are quite similar to G4E. In the original installment there were also many angles from the distance as in the DLCs, and then some closeups that made us feel close to the girls... Which is a thing that also happens in the DLCs. Maybe is more of a personal thing, but I felt I was there with some of the angle choices.

    But I've said "angle" too many times already, so lets get to the scenes. For me is like day and night, comparing it to G4E. Ok, in the original, the intro scene was really mesmerizing, both of them starting the journey together. But c'mon, DLCs intros were really good. Maybe they had a different feeling, but Sayako being really surprised by Tara's request or Tara having a nice time with Sayako's dick before the blowjob, they were priceless. And the animation quality of those scenes in front of the G4E one was far better. Then we have the cumshots scene. I remind you that in G4E is just the cumshot right away. Was good? Of course. The cum had better quality? Maybe. But the cumshot in both DLCs weren't just cumshots, but a whole scene were both Tara and Sayako dared to do have some playfull time and they seemed like they were really having fun, being very human. In original G4E it was just fucky fucky and cum over ya!. So, personally, I think there was an improvement in the scenes. Another positive thing.

    So, what can I say, objectively there are many good things and, of course, many bad things. Don't make it sound like is a clusterfuck of garbage stuff because is not true, c'mon… Really? XD


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    @'Tiffany':

    I'm not trying to be mean here. You're a good artist (DLC flops aside) but you're an extremely bad businessman. Your professional business image definitely needs an overhaul.

    Tiffany, forgive me if don't read all of your wall of text, maybe sometime in the near future. But your last sentence says it all. You speak as if you have an idea of what you're talking about, but you don't. The G4E DLCs were a bigger success then even G4E, by a great margin and I was seriously surprised by how successful G4E was. I personally love the DLCs more than G4E, I felt a lot more intune making them. Whether others agree that's a different story, but one thing is certain they were anything but a flop, lol. You don't get to make up cheeky little flops out of thin air. For you perhaps, but you also come up with 0.5 ratings, lol.
    I mean you even predicted G4E would sell 50 copies (I could be wrong, but it was a small number), and I don't even want to get into what a margin of error that was.

    I don't even think my marking/ PR is the biggest issue, it's that I give myself too many shoes to fill and that the ideas I have don't quite come to fruition exactly as planned because of it. Do you think I planned to do a 9 month event?? Of course not. I'm not a business genius, otherwise I'd be the next Donald Trump, I've never claimed to be, have I? I hope to be a decent artist at this point, that's all. I happen to enjoy the marketing around it as well, that's why I may get a little too excited and hypey, but you guys have told me that it's too much and so I'm pulling back this time. I agree that it wasn't the right strat in hindsight and so I'm making adjustments.
    Tiffany I'm sure you've gone the wrong path before and made adjustment, right? You can relate, can't you? Or are you the perfect human being? Never a mistake in your life? If you're so quick to judge others, maybe tell us about your business acumen your great successes and achievements. Tell us. Maybe we can all learn.

    Having said all that I don't think I'm the worst businessman either, I make a living what I love and there are other people who live from their income from Affect3D, and there are dozens and dozens more who make a nice side income, that's a good start, don't you think? Like marketing I'm starting to enjoy the business side more and I'm hoping to get better at it. And yes, I do agree that I need more skilled people on board, I've talked about expanding the team for a good while now and that's exactly what we're working on currently.

    In any case, Tiffany, your negativity stays in this thread. Hope you understand.



  • @'miro':

    I think it's obvious to anyone who's slightly sensible that we're dealing with trolling here :)

    I come here to HAVE FUN, not to have my lawn pissed on by trolls.
    . . .
    The only reasons it's voiced here is because the trolls have a platform. Well, that platform is going away.

    So let's try this again. I'm renaming this thread [Troll Edition]. I had to unlink from the front page, cause it's way too embarrassing and toxic.

    I'm creating a new thread called [Troll Fee Edition]. To make it simple: Trolling is NOT allowed in this new thread and I say who's trolling :) Sorry, my thread, my rules.

    On the contrary, I think it should be obvious to anyone who's slightly sensible that you have no idea what trolling is, and you never have. You don't even understand how unprofessional your reaction is every time you get largely negative feedback.

    Truth be told, I lost all respect for you in any kind of professional sense with the way that you handled the original G4E thread here:

    !
    ! > Dear trolls :P

    To those who wish to beat the dead horse of why it's taken so long over and over again with a complete disregard for any and all explanations.. now is your chance! … up until the start of the release event, if you need to vent, go do it. Let those trolling juices flow free and uninhibited. But as soon as the release event commences, the trolling will unfortunately come to an end. Trolls will be banned on sight :) I've learned to love my trolls... in a ermm love/ hate sort of way, lol... but the event is about having fun and of course we won't have trolls spoil it for those enjoying it. :D
    !

    I have to believe that your personal definition of trolling is "any post that is negative without some big positive ass kiss thrown in as well to help even it out."

    Irate and disappointed consumers are not trolls. You have always taken this approach, time and time again. Every time you upset people and you get a massive backlash of negative feedback, you always label those people as trolls. You label that feedback as trolling.

    Maybe it's your coping mechanism. Maybe you can't actually believe that anyone would have anything negative to say about anything that you've done (unless they sugarcoat the shit out of it) so they must be a troll. Honestly, I don't doubt this. Time and time again you completely dismiss any concern anyone has in such instances of negative feedback, claim that it didn't happen, that you didn't say this or that, that they're wrong, or that it's their fault.

    Honestly, I can't even count how many times you've messed up and then outright denied any wrongdoing. Every time you slip up, you didn't make a mistake. We're the wrong ones. Those clear statements about this or that which you made, clearly they weren't to be taken seriously. You weren't in the wrong.

    You will literally lie to our faces and then deny it. For instance, you say you're going to release by Christmas (how many years ago was this?), and then you come back and say that you never said it or that it shouldn't have been taken seriously. You even had a "release event" that went on for nearly a year. I mean come on! You do this every time you mess up and it's always everyone else that's wrong.

    I've done you the benefit of not even quoting the rest of your post, as it's littered with personal insults.

    The reason that I didn't give you a "balanced" review is because I can't balance the negative aspects of the DLC's with non-existent positive aspects. You don't get "balanced" reviews when you put out a total flop. That's just how the review process works.

    I would not have posted my ratings of your DLC's if someone hadn't plastered an entire page misquoting me as giving it ratings that I would not have. I did so because I have some integrity with my standards and I don't want to see that misrepresented.

    Yes, I give your DLC.01 a 0.5 out of 5 in its current state. That's a 10% out of 100% and it's a complete flop. You could bring that up to a 25% rating if you fix all of the bugs that you released with your unfinished work. The thing is, it's not going to get higher than that. The cum isn't going to be fixed, let's be realistic. It just isn't. You also aren't going to fix the camera angels and overall direction of the scenes (e.g. angles that you film in). These things are not on the table because you would effectively have to rework the entire project which took you some 2-3 years. There are many minor flaws but these are the big glaring flaws and no matter what you do they cannot be fixed and that is why the rating is so poor. Sorry, I just didn't like it.

    Your DLC.02 was considerably better, but as it was released completely unpolished that resulted in it getting a 25% rating. If the minor issues were fixed it would go up to a 50%. Keep in mind that I only even gave your original G4E a 90%. That puts DLC.02 at 40% off.

    Here's why my rating, even if the bugs were fixed and it was polished, is so low:

    The DLC's primary focus appears to be on Sayako's balls. Tara sucks on them, Tara strokes them, Tara cuddles them, they are the focus of the work it would seem. I have expressed many times how I do not like the balls, so it should be no surprise that I wouldn't enjoy features focused on them.

    In the first DLC the autofellatio scene which is the whole focus of the entire DLC is absolutely cringe-worthy. The way Sayako's enormous breasts look in that position and the way her back moves unnaturally to suck herself off… it's extremely unpleasant and disconcerting. It actually made me feel uneasy and completely put off. The remainder of the focus was, of course, Sayako's orange sized balls that are in fact shaped like tennis balls rather than almond shaped, and... that entire portion was just extremely gross for me. The entire DLC.01 was extremely gross for me. It was just downright bad. Add on top of that the wax/plastic cum scenes which magically shoot from 1-2cm from the tip of the dick and you're basically left with the rating that I gave. There is no redemption for DLC.01 for me. I could not possibly give it a positive review. I just can't. It doesn't do it for me. It was gross and offputting for me. That's why your rating is so bad.

    As for DLC.02, I'll admit that the rating that I gave and the review that I gave might be a bit skewed by the horrible and grossness inherited from DLC.01 as I watched the two of them in immediate succession and was completely disenfranchised by the time I started 02.

    Here's what I can say: The dick rising scene in the original G4E was super hot. In DLC.02 it was not. It wasn't exciting at all. I don't know how you managed to miss the mark on that, but you did. The blowjob scene in the original G4E was super hot. In this DLC, it just... wasn't. I don't know if it was the camera angles, or the weird gunk on Tara's hand, or what, but it was just really unsatisfying. I can say that the cunnilingus scene was far worse however, as it was just like Sayako was bobbing her head up and down below Tara with her tongue out slightly like she had no clue whatsoever what she was doing and that was made worse by Tara literally saying that she was good at it. I would love to see a good cunnilingus scene and the one in this DLC was crushing a disappointment.

    Moving forward, we're left with bad black screen transitions that last for what 10-20 seconds? And overall bad camera angles, along with a cumshot that is truly bad. Maybe you worked on the cum simulation for so long that you can't objectively see how bad they are, but they are really and truly bad. DLC.02 would have constituted probably a 20% higher rating by cutting the cumshot scene all together. All you'd have to do is stop it as Sayako is clearly cumming and Tara is taking it down her throat, swallowing her cum and it's so obvious that it's happening… and you just leave it. You don't have this super fake wax/plastic cum spewing out like a water hose a cm from the cock for far too long. You just have her swallow it and come off her dick with a smile, give the tip of her dick a seductive kiss and have her tell Sayako her cum was delicious or something. If you did that and you completely reworked the cunnilingus scene then the rating would be much much higher.

    I'd say that it could maybe push it to an 80% but realistically with the unexciting dick rise, unexciting dick sucking, and bad camera angles... I'm just not really sure that it would deserve that high of a rating. There are just some really core issues that need fixed that go well beyond the unpolished state of the release, and they're such core things that they simply aren't able to be fixed from a realistic standpoint. You can't redo the whole thing.

    I've only ever given you honest reviews, and this one was brutally honest. If you want to call me a troll then that's your prerogative but you're wrong.

    At this point however I want to offer my professional advice to you:

    Do not personally manage any future project that you have. You have the business and time management sense of a grasshopper. You need an ant, or you will lose all of your potential customers forever. The way that you do business cannot go on from a professional standpoint. Hire a business manager, someone that knows how to do it and let them be in charge of things.

    Next, hire a Public Relations Specialist and let them deal with your fans any time something goes wrong or some kind of big public statement is needed. The way that you deal with people is, simply put… completely unprofessional. Your business image will greatly improve if you have someone with some experience dealing with these types of situations doing it.

    You could also use some help on the advertising front so you can avoid 9 month long, completely failing, release events and similar in the future. So, I'm going to go ahead and rescind my previous suggestion of a PR specialist and say you should just go for a Publicist instead, one that can handle both sides. Whatever the position is called… you need someone that can do this stuff.

    I'm not trying to be mean here. You're a good artist (DLC flops aside) but you're an extremely bad businessman. Your professional business image definitely needs an overhaul.



  • Yay. WIP thread is back :)
    I really enjoyed the DLCs. I especially liked the scenes in DLC2 the most ^^. Both DLCs were really well done, but they aren't perfect by any means. There are the same hiccups we experienced in the original G4E. And I mean it did take ages for them to come out lol :p. However, it's easy to look past all of that and appreciate the shear amount detail Miro put into them. There is not much else out there that can match this level of quality. It's truly an impressive feat.

    Anyways, I can't help but be excited to see what else is in store for us. :D


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    @'Torcoolguy':

    Wow Miro… I thought the previous threads had given you thicker skin.

    this is me with a thick skin, do you see me raging? But would you feel comfortable having a discussion in this environment? I don't.



  • @'miro':

    Ess banned 3 days! Unprovoked personal insults are not allowed in this forum. You call someone an asshole again I'll ban you permanently. Got it!

    So lets nipp this one in the butt.

    Tiffany, sanmal2 thank you for your "rating", lol, that's exactly what I was looking for. I think it's obvious to anyone who's slightly sensible that we're dealing with trolling here :)

    Tiffany your "pirated, don't give a shit" review and sanmal's "you've made us wait so now I'm gonna make you pay review"… well I asked for constructive criticisms not shit talk. In fact I agree with the points you raised for the most part, what I don't agree with is that those points amount to anything close to a balanced review. I mean 0.5 rating, LOL ... lets see some of your work, maybe I can give you a 0.5 rating too lets all finds some flaws and give each other 0.5 ratings... woop tee doo!!

    However back in the real world... Iol. I like to run a thread that's enjoyable to me and others. I come here to HAVE FUN, not to have my lawn pissed on by trolls. If I had no fans tomorrow, I would continue creating 3DX for myself if I have to. I just love it :D I wanted to start posting some new test and discuss some ideas. But I can't work in this toxic environment.

    The majority of feedback we received was very positive. We got tons of email. Yes, lots of people raised concerns about glitches too but in a nice, reasonable manner, hardly anything that amounted to the shit talk I'm encountering here. The only reasons it's voiced here is because the trolls have a platform. Well, that platform is going away.

    So let's try this again. I'm renaming this thread [Troll Edition]. I had to unlink from the front page, cause it's way too embarrassing and toxic.

    I'm creating a new thread called [Troll Fee Edition]. To make it simple: Trolling is NOT allowed in this new thread and I say who's trolling :) Sorry, my thread, my rules. Until things have settled down a little.

    But as a guide. I personally think that the animation is better in the DLCs some other aspects I could say are worse than G4E but on balance they at the very least somewhere within the same realm. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. But if you're going to say it's no where close and hurl abuse then I will delete your post. Call me a tyrant for wanting to keep my own personal forum thread tidy and happy, I don't care, lol

    If you want to spread your 0.5 ratings find yourself a little damp corner of the Internet, I'm sure you'll find a welcome audience somewhere.

    Hope we're clear :) Posting up the new thread soon.

    Wow Miro… I thought the previous threads had given you thicker skin.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXQkXXBqj_U



  • And now for something completely facetious:P



  • Just to be clear, I've been wanting to let the dust settle before I dive into any extensive analysis and deep nitpicking critiquing.

    Shortest and sweetest takeaways I can offer is that in G4E and in DLC 2, it is a lot easier to "get into the (big) heads" of Tara and Sayako because the camera angles allow me to see their facial expressions and their eyes. In DLC 1, there's very little to no ability to see facial expressions, let alone eyes, making it a lot harder to "connect" with Tara and Sayako in the moments of their mutual enjoyment of each other. Consequently, for me at least, G4E and DLC 2 offer a deeper sense of … feeling ... and of being there WITH Tara and Sayako, and of sharing the moment with them, while DLC 1 feels more like watching a video of two bodies rutting with little (to no) emotional impact or "real" passion for what's going on.

    For me, personally, it is that sense of "distance" from what's happening that is possibly the greatest let down of DLC 1, and conversely the greatest selling point for DLC 2.

    In DLC 1, I can only get into their bodies … while in DLC 2, I can get into their heads (and even more importantly, their lusts and passions for each other!).

    Make of that what you will, miro.


  • administrators

    Ess banned 3 days! Unprovoked personal insults are not allowed in this forum. You call someone an asshole again I'll ban you permanently. Got it!

    So lets nipp this one in the butt.

    Tiffany, sanmal2 thank you for your "rating", lol, that's exactly what I was looking for. I think it's obvious to anyone who's slightly sensible that we're dealing with trolling here :)

    Tiffany your "pirated, don't give a shit" review and sanmal's "you've made us wait so now I'm gonna make you pay review"… well I asked for constructive criticisms not shit talk. In fact I agree with the points you raised for the most part, what I don't agree with is that those points amount to anything close to a balanced review. I mean 0.5 rating, LOL ... lets see some of your work, maybe I can give you a 0.5 rating too lets all finds some flaws and give each other 0.5 ratings... woop tee doo!!

    However back in the real world... Iol. I like to run a thread that's enjoyable to me and others. I come here to HAVE FUN, not to have my lawn pissed on by trolls. If I had no fans tomorrow, I would continue creating 3DX for myself if I have to. I just love it :D I wanted to start posting some new test and discuss some ideas. But I can't work in this toxic environment.

    The majority of feedback we received was very positive. We got tons of email. Yes, lots of people raised concerns about glitches too but in a nice, reasonable manner, hardly anything that amounted to the shit talk I'm encountering here. The only reasons it's voiced here is because the trolls have a platform. Well, that platform is going away.

    So let's try this again. I'm renaming this thread [Troll Edition]. I had to unlink from the front page, cause it's way too embarrassing and toxic.

    I'm creating a new thread called [Troll Fee Edition]. To make it simple: Trolling is NOT allowed in this new thread and I say who's trolling :) Sorry, my thread, my rules. Until things have settled down a little.

    But as a guide. I personally think that the animation is better in the DLCs some other aspects I could say are worse than G4E but on balance they at the very least somewhere within the same realm. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. But if you're going to say it's no where close and hurl abuse then I will delete your post. Call me a tyrant for wanting to keep my own personal forum thread tidy and happy, I don't care, lol

    If you want to spread your 0.5 ratings find yourself a little damp corner of the Internet, I'm sure you'll find a welcome audience somewhere.

    Hope we're clear :) Posting up the new thread soon.



  • I don't have G4E, but I did see the trailers for the DLC, which were dynamite. I'm also seeing mostly positive things about the new content. Regardless of technical issues that may have sprung up, I'm happy to hear that the DLC turned out well.



  • @'Ess':

    @'IBT':

    @'Ess':

    also, thanks for spoiling the entire DLC for everyone who hasn't bought it yet

    great job, asshole

    next time, use your brain

    Anyone who reads a thread where feedback on a release is being asked for by the creator … and expects to see No Spoilers ... has completely failed both Reading Comprehension and the understanding of Cause And Effect.

    Next time, use YOUR brain before spouting off unnecessary foolishness … doofus.

    not really

    i'd wager thousands of people LURK here with no account to see whether or not to buy Miro's work, or just pirate it from one of hundreds of illegal torrents

    also, THE DUDE was able to have a massive post with ALMOST no spoilers

    the guy i went off on literally did an ABC, 123, step-by-step complete analysis of the DLCs

    i already edited to say i was being a bit of an ass myself, but i feel completely justified to be angry with that, not only that but he was definitely either brand new or a brown-noser

    there is enough polar anger/disappointment as it is, not to add on an eyesore review, i don't know, i've already said my piece in great length, i have nothing more to say

    but fact of the matter is, EVERYONE i have seen post has at least touched on two or three of the big mistakes with the DLC, namely the PLAYER, and the MISSING SCENES

    for someone to come in and basicaly say every damn thing is perfect and beyond argument just ticks me off

    Alright Ess you need to ease it back a little bit, you've been machine gun posting on this thread since it opened and are now starting to be a little disrespectful. As IBT pointed out you seem to not be reading everything thoroughly. This thread is for as Miro posted in the sticky at the top "All feedback on the just released Girlfriends 4 Ever DLCs welcome!" which more or less means spoilers are okay. Also Ammon17, who has been here for a very long time BTW and has remained a major part of this community stated "I'm not gonna point out the technical negatives here, since they did not detract from my enjoyment at all (I guess I got lucky with how smooth everything operated), and I'm sure they will get addressed with the patch." He is not new nor is he a brown noser, he reviewed the content not the technical issues with the player and what he saw he obviously liked a lot and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not saying you have to be happy with the technical issues or the content but don't jump down every-bodies throat for giving Miro any kind of praise. It's not as if doing his kind of work is super easy, otherwise there would be a lot more products out at his level and we may not be here having this discussion. So all I'm trying to say is ease up a bit, no need to further defend or validate your point, now that we all know it let's move on and be constructive to help Miro as best as we can with feedback, because I don't want to have to wait another 2 years for him to put something else out. Do you?

    And since we're doing ratings:
    G4E 4.5/5
    DLC1 3.5/5
    DLC2 4/5


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