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  • I wouldn't mind having a second store that contains more extreme content, I always find that some ideas are too hard to sensitize. More Head room to explore 3dx would be great.


  • administrators

    just to clarify a couple of points:

    regarding extreme material, the key purpose of this hypothetical store concept would be to more clearly separate the Affect3D's direction vs more extreme genres, meaning some titles which are currently borderline would be moved to the secondary store and not feature in the current store, this store would be self sufficient and not share the same marketing efforts

    personally I don't think extreme is a good direction for 3DX to take, socially and politically it's a very bad move and will only hinder the progress that 3DX can make, so with Affect3D we'll push for more positive themes that are NOT boring, but not via shock value either, but rather interesting story lines, characters, very intense positive sexual situations, etc essentially quality over quantity/ shock

    don't get me wrong just like I love a good horror sometimes I do like extreme hentai as long as the intent is good entertainment, but lets not be oblivious to the fact that we live in a society that is very embarrassed about nudity and sex, let alone extreme sex, so if we want to make it as an industry we must consider these things carefully
    and here is the thing if we get positive 3DX accepted (which has the greatest chance), nobody will mind the extreme stuff, so by going positive we'll have both later on instead of nothing if 3DX goes extreme… society can easily cope with a movie industry that makes up 20% horror but not 80% ... but anyway that's a bigger discussion for another time

    So the 2nd store is a big if to be sure because we'd have to get a new merchant bank on board, who's even more lenient, which we don't have yet. And if we did find one this new store would have to be self sufficient for the most part since the two directions are not compatible for now and so it would have to be kept separate in terms of marketing for the most part. There may be an occasional feature on the main site, but nothing like for the main store.

    Also re stealth releases that would only become an option if the schedule is already full. Our aim is a structured quality approach and releasing willy-nilly reaks more of an everything goes ebay approach to me. Because there's so much junk out there it's a a point of difference for us to be selective and organized.



    1. If the artist can still decide if it should be a stealth release or a release in the schedule it offers some nice flexibility

    2. A second store would be great. I have some stuff already which I cannot offer in the "regular" store.
      I'd really appreciate it.



  • @'Nox':

    Speaking of which, Supro, what exactly are you thinking would go into this new store?Would you go so far as to allow snuff and gore?

    Would you also moderate accurate representation of BDSM? Because what a lot of people here think BDSM is is actually just torture porn. There's no rape in BDSM.

    No snuff or gore, especially during sexual acts like murderfucking (I don't want Stabler or Benson on my case). But we'll probably allow for more violence.

    We do allow BDSM in the current store as long as it's not rape or torture porn.

    @'Epoch':

    I would just recommend that the landing page for the store be changed so that latest releases shows more than just four items, as it does currently. So much of the page is taken up by 'featured' releases, and many of those are quite old. Offer more of the page's real estate to the promotion of the newest products.

    I'll talk to the developer and see if they change that to have the last 8 release appear while letting you scroll through the other ones (I usually put the titles up for a month).

    I'll also include this as feedback for the new store design. We want to really feature a lot more titles on the front page in various ways including new products, bestsellers, staff favorites, etc.



  • I think the stealth releases are good for getting titles out right away, since I know I've had several issues in the past with not being able to have parity on releases with A3D and 'rotica, which would be ideal for those of us who sell in both of those markets. I keep a calendar so I can have a target release date, but the A3D calendar is sometimes filled up already a month in advance, so my product hits 'rotica maybe two weeks before A3D, and that hurts the bottom line for artist and store.

    I would just recommend that the landing page for the store be changed so that latest releases shows more than just four items, as it does currently. So much of the page is taken up by 'featured' releases, and many of those are quite old. Offer more of the page's real estate to the promotion of the newest products.

    As far as the extreme content alternate web store, I'm indifferent. That's not a niche I want to work in since my own store's PCI guidelines restrict it and I'm not about to release any product anywhere that isn't in my own web store. But I can see its appeal. I think Renderotica has a processor with less stringent guidelines than A3D currently, which is why artists who do the torture porn (like SkatingJesus) can sell there. So it would be good for artists who want to work in that niche and I think you should consider it, but I'm not really sure it is even worth the work involved if only a handful of artists will be making content in that niche.



  • @'Lord-Kvento':

    @'3DZen':

    It also opens the door for more artists who are in that area more than most of us.

    It really is!
    But we must continue to keep the reputation and high quality work. I mean, it is necessary to continue to control every release, in order to prevent the emergence of low-quality work.
    This applies to both "Stealth releases" and "2" questions.
    We can not allow a repetition of errors Rotica. In my opinion on their website too many low-quality works.

    I concur. Having quality control over such products would really stand to make a second store stand out. While the content is more extreme and reaches a wider array of fetishes, keeping the sets on par with the main store should be the highest priority. This is people's money will are talking about. If subpar books are released on it, their less likely to come back and check out other titles. The bar on story telling, graphics and style, lettering, and presentation should be just as high, if not higher for the more extreme fetish work.



  • I think a new set of rules would be good. Should be interesting.

    As for the releases - well, I imagine if an artist doesn't mind it, why not? I would prefer to stick to standard releases with all the hoopla myself.



  • @'Supro':

    Hullo!
    I like both the stealth release and allowing Tuesdays Thursdays and sat for releases.
    A second store would be great there's some good ideas that i have that are swimming around in my mind waiting for more freedom



  • Hi,

    1b) will be surely the best way for all (vendors & administrators), it will be stupid to stay with 2 or 3 releases per week with an increase of vendors.

    1. I'm not attracted by the "extreme" side, anyway some peoples like to do/watch extreme things so why not ;).


  • Speaking of which, Supro, what exactly are you thinking would go into this new store?Would you go so far as to allow snuff and gore?

    Would you also moderate accurate representation of BDSM? Because what a lot of people here think BDSM is is actually just torture porn. There's no rape in BDSM.



  • 1 (stealth release) - need… more.. customers... but since its an option, sure, go for it.
    2 (darker stuff) - disapproved; but its your shop.



  • @'Lord-Kvento':

    @'3DZen':

    It also opens the door for more artists who are in that area more than most of us.

    It really is!
    But we must continue to keep the reputation and high quality work. I mean, it is necessary to continue to control every release, in order to prevent the emergence of low-quality work.
    This applies to both "Stealth releases" and "2" questions.
    We can not allow a repetition of errors Rotica. In my opinion on their website too many low-quality works.

    The standards we have for the store will still be the same for all titles. This includes everything: Scheduled release, Stealth releases and the second store. We don't want to drop it anytime soon.

    @'gazukull':

    Poop and pee play? I wouldn't mind doing a bizarre title or two :D

    Somehow I don't put it past you. :D



  • Poop and pee play? I wouldn't mind doing a bizarre title or two :D



  • @'3DZen':

    It also opens the door for more artists who are in that area more than most of us.

    It really is!
    But we must continue to keep the reputation and high quality work. I mean, it is necessary to continue to control every release, in order to prevent the emergence of low-quality work.
    This applies to both "Stealth releases" and "2" questions.
    We can not allow a repetition of errors Rotica. In my opinion on their website too many low-quality works.



  • " I would like to ask for a bit more broad promotion for the primary store, not just among 3d sites. Just to get our reputation further out of our niche, to attract possible extra audience. "

    I agree with this also! use your Internet rep ( power ) to promote a bit more.



  • I like both ideas, There is a market for the harder stuff out there you and we are missing out on, RE seems to do well with that stuff.

    With your marketing and Internet presence I am sure that side site would do well.

    It also opens the door for more artists who are in that area more than most of us. Although from time to time I would take advantage of this option

    thanks!



  • I think it's a good idea.:) I have the basic content - is BDSM, violence. But now I'm doing comics for a wide audience. But it would be very nice to be able to spread the rough comics.



  • @'Lord-Kvento':

    1. (B) I really like this idea, but only if you will still be able to make the release on Saturday by posting the post and banners.

    2. It was, to a very great! I've been wanting to do more hard work especially rape, because in the genre of monster sex without it in any way!

    We're still planning to do the big releases like the ones on Saturday. But the stealth option would be available as a compliment.



    1. (B) I really like this idea, but only if you will still be able to make the release on Saturday by posting the post and banners.

    2. It was, to a very great! I've been wanting to do more hard work especially rape, because in the genre of monster sex without it in any way!


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