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  • @'miro':

    You've provided an example of the negative porn stigma. I assume you're saying that porn harms children? and then you provide an example of being sexually abused? I am sorry to hear that, but what does that have to do with porn? Porn didn't do the abusing. And I'll go out on a limb and say that sexual child abuse was far, far worse before porn in it's current form existed.

    Hm. Perhaps I am conflating concepts. Point taken.

    Am I for total bans? Well, I'm here talking about this with you so I'd think not. The crux of what I'm getting at is overabundance of porn too early in life is as least as jarring to development of kids as is growing up sheltered & isolated. In both cases there is no real parental feedback nor guidance to ensure a healthy point of view about it.

    Cue the argument "It's fiction and it isn't going to make anyone do anything that wasn't already likely to do so anyways". This is true for adults who've developed enough maturity to objectively make their own choices. The same cannot be said for kids for viewing all types of erotica. Parental regulation is a midpoint between the two extremes.
    What I'm saying is I do not mind some 'barriers' of sorts since, as a practical matter, some parents just won't guide their offspring to maturity (give a shit).

    As to your other point, however, yes I do think there is a bit of a "sweep it under the rug" bullshit mentality that supports the hostile/shamed attitude towards porn which hampers us in our aims.

    Though considering as a matter of marketing, I think part of the draw in western countries is that very element of taboo, that it's bad and wrong. It does appeal to people and attract customers if you give that discreet "on the down low" vibe. Seems preactically everywhere I go with 18+ advisory when I turn off adblock they're advertising
    "Milfs want cock"
    "your prude spouse will hate this site–just message and ask to fuck"
    "these women want to fuck in secret, no strings attached" and
    "legal teen daughters want older guys".
    ...and then of course half the time I'm flooded with ads for 3D porn video sites. :D
    On the positive, there's opportunity one way or another for the most part.



  • Okay!

    As promised, prices are now displaying from select sites if you link to a specific website for a product that you have for sale. This will display in the button which appears above your promo image. At the moment only 6 sites are supposed: Affect3D, Renderosity, Renderotica, RuntimeDNA, YURdigital and Daz3d. Also, due to the way Daz3D organizes their pages, it can NEVER display sale prices, as apparently, putting a sale price on the page somewhere is a little too difficult for them. If you would like other sites to work, please contact me, and I will look at adding them. Now that I have the code to search for the information, it's actually quite easy, provided the websites put it in a sane location. Take a look at most images from Kaleya, as they have links to her products.

    And don't worry Miro, I tested it with the Affect3D store, it works, tried it with multiple products.

    So, if you have a storefront that you want me to add, and you plan on posting promos on Ambient Dimension, let me know, and I can add you to the system! Not just that, if you have anything on the listed stores, you can link to them with a promo pic on the site and it will link to the store, and show the price!



  • @'SinCyprine':

    @'erogenesis':

    porn actors with the IQ of a plank

    thats not nice to them !

    Very true, We have the now retired porn actress Asia Carrera who was a member of Mensa (yeah, I don't have a high value of the organization, but she was also her own webmaster and a big time geek) and now Mercedes Carrera (something with the last name?) who is a former aeronautical engineer turned porn.

    Just remember, there is a huge difference between bad writing and stupid actors. That's part of the problem, the writing is simplistic because to be honest, the primary customers aren't looking for for Shakespeare, just whack-more. As long as the market will accept substandard writing, we will keep getting it.

    And yes, there are some stupid porn actors, but no more than any other group of people.



  • @'erogenesis':

    porn actors with the IQ of a plank

    thats not nice to them !
    a young generation of porn performers are active on many fronts (political, educational, art) - you an easly find them (dressed) on youtube giving witty interviews.

    our CGI niche is really cut from the (video) porn actors and we are creating a different kind of entertainement; which does NOT mean it should stay that way - all the revolt written above had been an everyday thing in the porn industry, maybe we should hear what they say & how they handle it.

    http://youtu.be/imm0geiMfqc



  • As much as many SJWs will scream that they are sex positive, that isn't true: They are generally female sex positive, in terms that mainly female driven storylines by females will be accepted. But if you create anything as a male to in any way they perceive as "for the male gaze" and it's instantly "sexual objectification". They have no problem with female sexuality, they have problems with male sexuality. After all, in the SJW mindset, straight white cis-gendered men are the literal devil. Anything that caters to them is exploitation and needs to be stopped

    But that's not just it. America was founded by puritans, and the puritanical streak is still VERY strong in the culture. Nude beaches are rare, nudity itself is to be kept away from children. Even in same areas sex ed is a taboo. It's disgusting, really. But because of that, as erogenesis said, the reaction has been more and more porn. The internet is filled with it! Every type you can want. And here's the thing: 3DX is porn. But look at it's numbers, it is VERY small compared to actual porn industry. This is why 3DX explores things that we don't see in mainstream porn. Not just because we can't (no porn would spent the budget to get a animatronic troll fucking their star, let alone a dragon) but because no one really wants to. We are filling a niche which no one else is doing. And that, in itself, says a lot. Sure, most 3DX is "depraved", but that's because no one else can or will touch it.



  • Depravity can be an interesting thing to explore, depending on what you want from it, but it needs to happen in a sexually mature environment. Right now the modern world is still WAY too awkward about sexuality, which makes me very reluctant to pursue my 'Adventures of Sen' project, which can easily be seen as thoroughly depraved.

    So yeah, I agree with you Miro, in that some of the problem lies with the artists ourselves. I have noticed on several occasions that some artists are kindof ashamed of what they do and are not really prepared to stand for it… which is a shame! They see it indeed as a depraved side of themselves that they sometimes explore but would instantly drop once confronted with questions about what they're doing. This doesn't help our cause at all. Erotica is our very nature, and its ridiculous to think that its shameful.

    But I think its more of a general problem than just with artists. Even non-artists are still ashamed to be curious about erotica, even to masturbate or talk about sex, artists have just found an outlet that offers customization. The fact that erotica is more accessible than ever before shows that society is shedding its old-fashioned disdain for erotica and sex, but backlashes are inevitable when society still doesn't make a collective effort to give erotica a firm and unambiguous place in our daily lives. We've just released ourselves from centuries of sexual oppression but we haven't solidified it, and so when we hear news of predators and sex offenders, confusion arises, especially when the sensationalist media companies entirely misconstrue the situation. Thus porn gets the blame for something entirely unrelated!

    And this whole association of porn having a bad influence on kids just confuses me. Sure, don't rub it in their faces, avoid it if you can, but not because its bad for them, but because kids don't give a shit about porn!!!!! Its only bad if you force it on them, as with just about anything else. Being abused sucks terribly and I wouldn't know what effect that has on you, but I had a very different experience as a kid. I remember when I was a kid I often came across my dad's porn stash but I seriously never found it even remotely interesting. For me that was just 'something adults do'. It was only when I hit puberty that I started to see its significance, and even then I was slow to clock on. And no I don't consider myself a sex maniac because I'm now an erotica artist. I was a geologist before, and compared to some of my friends and girlfriends I am prude! Interestingly, some of my friends who are awkward about porn have crappy relationships. Link? But seriously, even my kid nieces don't care about it. they know the deal, they had it in school, but they don't care... but if you want kids to be curious about something, then the best and most effective way is to be weird and awkward about it. Kids have a nose for those things.

    And that's what I fear the most about all this anti-porn mentality these days, is that they might actually make it worse, because its banned, therefore interesting! Back in the 70s (?) Denmark legalized porn and immediately porn popularity dropped. Porn is a result of society, not the other way round. If you marginalize porn, you marginalize a big component of the human experience, therefore you create frustration and longing. Leave that unchecked, gods know where they'll go to find their gratification. And THIS is perhaps where you can start talking about sex offenders and predators. Criminals thrive in darkness and obscurity.

    So, yeah, the world could use a good dose of growing up when it comes to sex. It would help a LOT, with many things. You can only make a shift from negative to positive about sexuality (thus also porn) if we're mature about it. That means, that we accept it and we're not scared / ashamed of it, that we are mentally clear about its meaning and purpose… or even if we don't exactly know its meaning in our lives, we can also be mature about our curiosity about it, and respect what it means (or doesn't mean) to others.

    I think what will also help to make porn / erotica acceptable is to make more erotica that also includes other facets of life, like drinking tea, or going for a pee, or basically have it included in a proper story. Right now all porn is just focused on just sex. This obviously doesn't really inspire lovers of literature to engross themselves in porn, or any other lovers of any other artform. Right now porn is like van Gogh just painting Sunflowers, and nothing else but sunflowers... well perhaps shorter ones or taller ones... This is why I like 3DX so much (I'd rather call it CGI Erotica) is that you have the virtual world at your feet and you're not dependent on porn actors with the IQ of a plank, and therefore not dependent on just the same old porno format.


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    @'fredfred5150':

    But I still think the biggest issue is that even the majority of 3DX artists believe they're actually doing something perverted or shameful, which of course they are not! But if you think you do, that's what you'll produce. If you think sex is perverted and depraved, that's the material you'll create. Hopefully some artists will start to think differently, because I'd hate to spend another 100 years as a society in the closet where sex is concerned :)

    Well that could be read as pretty insulting by a lot of artists

    elaborate a little more
    but let me try respond… well I came from the same corner, my first thoughts were always "depraved" story lines when creating porn, I mean I was raised in the same culture as you have :) ... let me be clear, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with "depraved" porn (as long as it's safe) especially in 3DX, I'm not the one who's judging, the SJWs are, I do really like monster porn, hentai, etc, etc and we know how depraved that stuff is

    but yes, I don't like the "depraved" direction as a whole, because it's so prevalent and I see how the SJWs abuse the fact that we have this tendency and it makes it so much harder to openly defend it and I think the balance is out of whack... the movie industry couldn't exist with 80% horror, but it can with 20-25% (or what ever it is now)

    it is possible to create sex scenes that are just as intense without tapping into the deepest, darkest corners of your brain, but it's just a suggestion, at the end of the day an artist has to create what s/he loves
    I mean "depraved" is very subjective anyway, we all may have very different views on it

    If it were up to me all sexual expression especially in 3DX form would be perfectly acceptable as long as the viewer is given a choice and of course censorship/ banning takes that choice away

    I think porn views will relax either way, I'm just saying if we take on a more positive direction it could speed things up a lot, and then the "depraved" stuff will follow

    I'm just putting some ideas out there, they may be wrong or right, tell me a better way and I'd more than happy to discuss



  • @'miro':

    But I still think the biggest issue is that even the majority of 3DX artists believe they're actually doing something perverted or shameful, which of course they are not! But if you think you do, that's what you'll produce. If you think sex is perverted and depraved, that's the material you'll create. Hopefully some artists will start to think differently, because I'd hate to spend another 100 years as a society in the closet where sex is concerned :)

    Well that could be read as pretty insulting by a lot of artists


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    Here's my view:

    Pretty complex topic, but I'll try to condense it as much as possible. Again this is just my view.

    The fact that Google retracted is still a good thing, because at least they've had to acknowledge that there are boundaries which will be a little harder to cross in banning ALL porn.

    But yes, we're certainly not safe from Google. Porn is a game of reputation. If they are perceived to lose rep facilitating porn, whilst continuing their quest on being the family friendly giant, they will continue to degrade porn. Unfortunately the other giants Facebook and Apple are extremely anti porn so Google can't be the odd one out.

    Why now? Because the SJWs are the ONLY voice when it comes to porn. Porn in mainstream does not have a voice. That's unfortunately the porn industries fault because a) most only care about money and think they are doing wrong and b) therefore on balance produce crap. There aren't any visionaries in porn and even though millions upon millions of people watch porn they will not admit it in public, which is where the discussion takes place. And so the SJW's war on porn continues unopposed… regardless of how much of a lie it may be.

    Is there a solution? I think so yes, several. All of these are extremely difficult to achieve, but it's obvious that porn is possibly the hardest cultural nut to crack.

    1. porn starts producing really high quality
    2. a caused shift in thinking around sex and porn from negative to positive
    3. the right person or group of people with the right arguments to essentially be the voice for porn
    4. views around porn naturally relax

    4 is the most likely but will take the longest possibly another 100 years. 3 and 2 can only really happen if there's something to stand up for, which leaves 1. Can the current porn industry become a leader in quality? I doubt it. But 2D and/ or 3DX can! The nature of 2D/3DX is artistic, the virtual characters created are immune to public slander and the artists themselves are more likely to have a strong independant opinion and draw the right crowd.

    But I still think the biggest issue is that even the majority of 3DX artists believe they're actually doing something perverted or shameful, which of course they are not! But if you think you do, that's what you'll produce. If you think sex is perverted and depraved, that's the material you'll create. Hopefully some artists will start to think differently, because I'd hate to spend another 100 years as a society in the closet where sex is concerned :)

    @'~ArgonCyanide777':

    I do think there needs to be organizational mechanisms allowing navigation of the subjects at choice and will. I also agree minors should not be exposed to adult erotica as it may harm their development if they are not ready to handle it. Speaking as someone who was sexually abused and harassed as a minor, material of sexual nature can have a serious negative impact on the growth of a youth into adulthood.

    I support someone's right to freedom of expression. Even if I may utterly despise their message, and perhaps even them. Your liberties end where they harm the liberties of another, though.

    You've provided an example of the negative porn stigma. I assume you're saying that porn harms children? and then you provide an example of being sexually abused? I am sorry to hear that, but what does that have to do with porn? Porn didn't do the abusing. And I'll go out on a limb and say that sexual child abuse was far, far worse before porn in it's current form existed.



  • Hi mongo! Figured we'd eventually see you here! –No we don't know each other, I'm just a fan in passing. I happened to stumble upon your fan pairing of Hinata X KillerB...then found it was not ordained by you on g.e-hentai--at least so soon anyways. I've checked you out and stuff. Good to see ya here finally.

    As to the subject at hand?

    Plain english: This situation is one reason I try to avoid Google. They dominate everything, and force customers to adhere to what they wish and leave no viable alternative because "competition is a sin". So we end up in this situation, wanting free or cheap blogs but nobody willing to host us.

    I do think there needs to be organizational mechanisms allowing navigation of the subjects at choice and will. I also agree minors should not be exposed to adult erotica as it may harm their development if they are not ready to handle it. Speaking as someone who was sexually abused and harassed as a minor, material of sexual nature can have a serious negative impact on the growth of a youth into adulthood.

    I support someone's right to freedom of expression. Even if I may utterly despise their message, and perhaps even them. Your liberties end where they harm the liberties of another, though.



  • I think all in all we 3DX (or CGI Erotica) artists need to learn a lesson here, in that we're quite simply too reliant on a system founded on the awkward sexual nature of mainstream society, that has been made paranoid by sensationalist media companies. Google has shown that its not entirely comfortable with us, so its a clear signal we need to get the fuck out before they have the advantage over us and make us loose out outreach and subscribers. Its better to have control over your identity rather than be the victim that's getting pushed around all the time. I'm kindof expecting the same problems with Deviant Art, Tumblr and Picasa.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but if you cannot afford your own website, an erotica hub should be the best option for erotica artists. Right now Renderotica is the only one setting up blogs (don't worry Larry, you can still link to websites in your personal profile, practical reasons). Nephanor also wants to contribute and that would be awesome. I really hope A3D will join the race. I do have some kind of plan to start my own Free CGI Erotica gallery website, but I'm fully booked for the next few years. For now, my solution is my own website and I'll use my blog to direct people there.

    Man, what a scare!



  • @'SinCyprine':

    actually just set a gallery over 'rotica a minute ago ^^
    on yr profile form, they ask for yr DA username and automatically link yr profile to yr DA page.

    We're all in the same boat here, and there's plenty for everyone. There's no reason for a gallery to be mistreating their artists with that kind of restrictive policy. I'm simply not going to tolerate being treated like that, so my art isn't going to be found on Renderotica. Unfortunately their store is the only place where you can purchase many items, so I'm still one of their customers, but if I can buy those tools somewhere else that's where my business will go.

    @'gazukull':

    You know, I wasn't all that enraged. It is hard for me to get mad at a private entity offering a free service, when they change their rules and I don't like it.

    Overall, that's a good attitude.

    Google and Renderotica don't work for me, so I don't have any say in what they do. I suppose I'm responding to their perceived intent when I form my emotional response to them.

    I really don't know what Google was intending, so I really didn't form a concrete opinion about it. That latest note really helped clarify what they're after.

    Now, Renderotica is just plain hostile. Their policies, their administrative style, their central clique. Just no. You're right that they have the right to do what they do, but I have the right not to like it.



  • You know, I wasn't all that enraged. It is hard for me to get mad at a private entity offering a free service, when they change their rules and I don't like it.

    I guess I nuked my blogspot a bit too early. Opps!



  • It's good that Google backed down, but hey, Ambient Dimension is still here, still happy to have you, and happy to let you link to stuff!



  • Well, this is good news, but that doesn't mean they aren't working on a new way to fuck over porn artists.



  • @'Larry:

    Want to link to your art over at DeviantArt from Renderotica? Can't do it!

    actually just set a gallery over 'rotica a minute ago ^^
    on yr profile form, they ask for yr DA username and automatically link yr profile to yr DA page.



  • @'erogenesis':

    Regarding Renderotica,.. Why not make use of it?

    Here's why.

    @'EnJay':

    Summary: Renderotica no longer allows the use of any promotional URLs in forum posts, image submissions, or comments regardless of whether the URL directs to a personal, non-commercial website or not.

    http://www.renderotica.com/community/forums.aspx?forumid=2770&threadid=61941

    Want to link to your art over at DeviantArt from Renderotica? Can't do it!
    Terrible! Absolutely terrible!

    That is good news that Google is backing off that erotica prohibition though.



  • I think I'll start posting my work on my existing tumblr … making my actual blogspot private.
    Nothing special at all by my side :angel:



  • Hey guys, it seems they rolled it back:


    _Hello everyone,

    This week, we announced a change to Blogger’s porn policy. We’ve had a ton of feedback, in particular about the introduction of a retroactive change (some people have had accounts for 10+ years), but also about the negative impact on individuals who post sexually explicit content to express their identities. So rather than implement this change, we’ve decided to step up enforcement around our existing policy prohibiting commercial porn.

    Blog owners should continue to mark any blogs containing sexually explicit content as “adult” so that they can be placed behind an “adult content” warning page.

    Bloggers whose content is consistent with this and other policies do not need to make any changes to their blogs.

    Thank you for your continued feedback.

    The Blogger Team_


    I wonder if Reddit will follow?

    Although this is great news, and I don't need to spend days trying to clean up my blog, I'm still making my own website. You never know when Google decides to change something, again. I might have to remove the links to Renderotica and A3D though, I think that's considered Advertising.

    Regarding Renderotica, yeah I'm sure it will commercially advantageous to them, but I don't know if that has to be such a bad thing. Whatever the case, for a moment it seemed that we 3DX artists could've used all the help we could get, and like Neph's site AD.com, giving Rotica a try would also not hurt. And don't forget, Rotica already has much of the facilities in place, and the exposure and outreach, the transition will hopefully be less painless than for example going to some other blog service. Why not make use of it? Guys, along the same lines, it would be cool to see A3D make some galleries and blog facilities, because these things are bound to happen again. Renderotica and Affrect3D are the current hubs of CGI Erotica and it would be wise for all 3DX artists to reinforce their status on both sites. I'm also on Art of Darkness and Deviant Arts, and I'm definitely posting on Neph's site too shortly.


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