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  • well, glad you enjoyed the series, even if it didnt answer your questions as you had hoped, I think everyone on this forum should watch the entire series


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    @'fredfred5150':

    I suspect it has something to do with the difference in sexual experiance between women and men.
    The female orgasm is different for example, and in some ways superior to the experiance that a man can have.
    It could be that many men feel the difference subconsciously, and combined with a sense of insecurity, creates resentment. Subconsciously.

    This is all theory on my part, but i think it has some truth to it.
    I have also observed that women sometimes feel this way.
    Fear of the unknown.

    yes, I thin there is some resentment of sorts, not sure if it's the female orgasm that's proving this though, but interesting thought

    @'fredfred5150':

    RE: Why is porn considered offensive? Stigma of porn.

    If you can track down a late 90's british documentary series entitled "Pornography: A secret history" it will probably answer all your questions.

    this sounds interesting, will report back with my interpretation :)

    Let me ask upfront. Will it answer this question: Yes we know humans consider porn obscene, but what is reason that gives humans the right to call porn obscene? Where did this notion come from, considering the outcome of sex is ultimate pleasure and the purpose is procreation = life? How more noble a cause can you have and yet it's treated as the complete opposite?

    yes it will

    actually, I'm not sure it did

    but first of all let me say this was a really interesting documentary, nice recommendation, already watched the first 5 episodes

    so pornography is a construct conjured up by the Victorians in the mid 1800s

    In terms of the reasons the documentary revealed it's that basically Victorians upper class had access to pornography via the secret museum for example but deemed the general population wouldn't be able to handle porn, lol!! why? it did not want people to get sexually aroused, because of obscenity, disturbance, social control.

    No actual reasoning why porn is obscene or disturbing other than it's not decent and modest, lol!!

    As I suspected and as far as I can see there is no remotely sensible reasoning for making porn a crime or even considering it as socially unacceptable. Just ridiculous tradition an ancient relic; a means to control the lower classes.

    here is the first episode of the documentary:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ7aVneGeqo



  • @'miro':

    @'fredfred5150':

    If you can track down a late 90's british documentary series entitled "Pornography: A secret history" it will probably answer all your questions.

    this sounds interesting, will report back with my interpretation :)

    Let me ask upfront. Will it answer this question: Yes we know humans consider porn obscene, but what is reason that gives humans the right to call porn obscene? Where did this notion come from, considering the outcome of sex is ultimate pleasure and the purpose is procreation = life? How more noble a cause can you have and yet it's treated as the complete opposite?

    yes it will



  • I see a kind of witch hunt… perhaps in other words there is no argument at all, just superstition, tradition and power games then? well I thought as much but there must be some sort of at least half plausible or plausible sounding argument for 'outlawing' porn as it if was some kind of 'moral disease'??

    I suspect it has something to do with the difference in sexual experiance between women and men.
    The female orgasm is different for example, and in some ways superior to the experiance that a man can have.
    It could be that many men feel the difference subconsciously, and combined with a sense of insecurity, creates resentment. Subconsciously.

    This is all theory on my part, but i think it has some truth to it.
    I have also observed that women sometimes feel this way.
    Fear of the unknown.


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    @'fredfred5150':

    If you can track down a late 90's british documentary series entitled "Pornography: A secret history" it will probably answer all your questions.

    this sounds interesting, will report back with my interpretation :)

    Let me ask upfront. Will it answer this question: Yes we know humans consider porn obscene, but what is reason that gives humans the right to call porn obscene? Where did this notion come from, considering the outcome of sex is ultimate pleasure and the purpose is procreation = life? How more noble a cause can you have and yet it's treated as the complete opposite?

    @'fredfred5150':

    As for the "Austrailia situation" that country continues to confuse me, did you know at one point in austrailias history boats full of prostitutes where brought to austrailia to "entertain" the population? (a documentary called "the floating brothel" enlightened me to that fact)

    no wasn't aware of this, maybe as 'myself' says it was a gift to keep everyone happy or maybe not enough whores were passed around so that to this day the offspring that didn't get any still have a chip on their shoulder and object to anything sexual and pornographic o_0

    @'Serah:

    Well to me its rather obvious that at least some of the stigma comes from the three monotheistic religions. (Christianity, Islam and Judaism)

    yes that is obvious but the question remains, what is their reasoning for saying that porn is "unpure" or "obscene" in the first place? that's what I want to know

    @'Serah:

    Another reason is probably the relationship men have to women, when it comes to sex in general. Many men have a really hard time exepting womens sexuality.
    I mean, at one time Christianity concidered women the spawn of Satan created to tempt
    the "pure" men into depravity and unpure lifestyles…. Yea priests had had a "problem" with women.

    I see a kind of witch hunt… perhaps in other words there is no argument at all, just superstition, tradition and power games then? well I thought as much but there must be some sort of at least half plausible or plausible sounding argument for 'outlawing' porn as it if was some kind of 'moral disease'??



  • Well to me its rather obvious that at least some of the stigma comes from the three monotheistic religions. (Christianity, Islam and Judaism)

    Another reason is probably the relationship men have to women, when it comes to sex in general. Many men have a really hard time exepting womens sexuality.
    I mean, at one time Christianity concidered women the spawn of Satan created to tempt
    the "pure" men into depravity and unpure lifestyles…. Yea priests had had a "problem" with women.



  • well fred, if i recall correctly australia used to be part of british empire where the convicts and similar stuffs where sent there as sentence/exile, and of course hard labor for the empire, so to prevent some kind of revolt similar to US independence, some "goodies" were necessary to keep population happy and under control, an entertained population is a happy one XD, and besides they were trying to expand the australia colony, so why not some entertainment to make them more… horny and willing to grew the white population in australia? :3

    maybe i spelled loads of bullsh1t, but thats wat i recal from my english history lessons XD



  • If you can track down a late 90's british documentary series entitled "Pornography: A secret history" it will probably answer all your questions.

    Speaking of american presidents, its rumoured that Larry Flynt was Ronald Reagans personal pornographer, making custom movies and photos by request.

    As for the "Austrailia situation" that country continues to confuse me, did you know at one point in austrailias history boats full of prostitutes where brought to austrailia to "entertain" the population? (a documentary called "the floating brothel" enlightened me to that fact)


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    Was porn a "liberating" experience for Franklin, was it? :)

    Ok, did a quick wikipedia run and was surprised to see how recent the banning of such material was, but then again I guess it hasn't been around for that long.

    Again the internet comes to rescue to bring porn to the masses with governments so far unable to stem the flows =)

    And it is no surprise that the primary argument for banning is: obscenity, objectification and public and religious morality! Laughable, but also cry worthy :)



  • @'miro':

    .. [/and um at that time it would have been pornographic theater I assume ]:) ?

    There was literature, art and very early photography. A century earlier, Ben Franklin is said to have an extensive porn collection. Americans could very well say that the time that Franklin spent at the Hellfire Club had a lot to do with America winning its independence.


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    Always interesting to hear about the history behind it. There are still many questions though. For example what would have motivated Queen Victoria to outlaw porn… and um at that time it would have been pornographic theater I assume :) ? What is the argument against porn in general? Also why the double standards even to this day, has civilization not progressed since then?
    Then you have questions like why is porn unacceptable on Facebook? That one even I can somehow understand, which is probably a sad thing.



  • The word "pornography" comes from art or stories from courtesens and dates back to the Greeks. Courtesens entertained royalty, not only with sex, but also by telling stories. During the reign of Queen Victoria, the English made pornography socially unacceptable. This, of course, did not rid society of porn, but only caused it to go underground. In America, Victorianism plus Puritainism, caused all things sexual to be suppressed. During the late seventies, with the introduction of the VHS and BETAMAX video players, people could enjoy pornography in the privacy of their own homes. Sales of these machines were driven by porn. With the advent of home computers, even more freedom was afforded. If one looks into the management of Paypal - E-bay, an answer might be found there. Australia is a mystery seeing as how it was settled criminals deported from Victorian England, not that one should draw a parallel between criminality and porn.


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