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  • I'd take a look at hentai-foundry.com. They seem to be doing all right by their artists.



  • @'jbtrimar':

    @'miro':

    if you want to write some MOTDs you're more than welcome, actually come to think of it we don't do a lot of dick girl MOTDs do we?

    No, we don't, and I have HUNDREDS of images you could use :(

    Then send them in our direction! We'll have good uses for them. evil-laughter



  • Writng MOTDS is MY job!



  • @'miro':

    if you want to write some MOTDs you're more than welcome, actually come to think of it we don't do a lot of dick girl MOTDs do we?

    No, we don't, and I have HUNDREDS of images you could use :(


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    @'longyyy':

    yeah i have to agree with a gallery system for users, as long as there is some standards ( content). You will have to draw a line as to what you want and don't want to have here ,so you don't get illegal content creeping into here. Tutorials would be a great ideas as would more forum categories eg . Daz , Poser , Hexagon , troubleshooting ..etc for members to bring there knowledge to the site. A shop section so members can sell content if they wish.

    store is up first… and yeah this is always going to be a place for artists, so no illegal content, there's tons of sites for that sort of stuff elsewhere

    @'BobbyC':

    I want to throw my vote behind galleries for users.

    Also, I know one of the big hurdles is simply time. Our forums seem to have some great folks, though, and I think there can be some real collaboration, here.

    I'm no artist, but I'd be happy to write up a "Media of the Day" article now and then to give our overlords a bit more time to work on their amazing artwork. I only ask that you keep it to the straight stuff. I'm betting my personal biases would creep into any futa articles.

    galleries sometime after the new store

    if you want to write some MOTDs you're more than welcome, actually come to think of it we don't do a lot of dick girl MOTDs do we?

    @'munrah':

    A third girl ,a black asian girl.

    interesting combo

    @'CrosseyedJohn':

    As a viewer rather than an artist, could there be a thread for members to upload single pics, whose origin is unknown, so that the membership can try to identify the creator?
    Tineye helps sometimes, but quite often directs you towards some fairly suspicious sites.

    sure, create a thread in the 3DX section, should be able to place most of the images to artists



  • As a viewer rather than an artist, could there be a thread for members to upload single pics, whose origin is unknown, so that the membership can try to identify the creator?
    Tineye helps sometimes, but quite often directs you towards some fairly suspicious sites.



  • what will take affect3d to the next level?
    A third girl ,a black asian girl.



  • I want to throw my vote behind galleries for users.

    Also, I know one of the big hurdles is simply time. Our forums seem to have some great folks, though, and I think there can be some real collaboration, here.

    I'm no artist, but I'd be happy to write up a "Media of the Day" article now and then to give our overlords a bit more time to work on their amazing artwork. I only ask that you keep it to the straight stuff. I'm betting my personal biases would creep into any futa articles.



  • yeah i have to agree with a gallery system for users, as long as there is some standards ( content). You will have to draw a line as to what you want and don't want to have here ,so you don't get illegal content creeping into here. Tutorials would be a great ideas as would more forum categories eg . Daz , Poser , Hexagon , troubleshooting ..etc for members to bring there knowledge to the site. A shop section so members can sell content if they wish.



  • I am not sure that has crossed miro's mind, but a streaming portal would be nice!

    ~GO


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    no I agree this a very good point, especially with porn, since everyone has a very personalised set of fetishes they like and it's a great way to differentiate our search engine from others…
    so we'll be needing your input when it comes to fine tuning the search mechanism :)

    but priority will be to get the thing up and running first, then we can refine it



  • @'miro':

    have you come across a good way of handling this, other than tags? well I'd assume categories, tags, and maybe searching descriptions

    Short answer: No … to both.

    Loooong answer in case you are bored, let's explain the issue further and describe a possible solution:

    !
    The problem is not the tagging itself (or creating categories and so on…). This is annotating content with additional information and metadata is definitely a good thing to improve the accuracy of search queries. The problem is the way this metadata is usually handled within the system. Right now all these tags are most probably mere (Character-)Strings and are just matched as such against the search query, the data lacks semantics for the system. It's certainly not bad, but it's not the ultimate solution either - consider these examples:
    ( and we'll use g.e-hentai as an example of a gallery system, since it's the biggest one for fictional porn that I know…)
    Assume I want to search for "big boobs" and enter this in a search field, if the tag actually is "big boobs", I get what I want… if the tag is "big breasts" I'm screwed. There also is a japanese artist named "Insert" (I think it's the Circle's name, doesn't really matter though…), searching for "insert" usually turns up a lot of stuff I didn't want and searching for "artist insert" doesn't help either. I'm actually searching for well defined things here, the "big boobs fetish" and an "artist called insert", yet this is rather troublesome for the search engine. And there is no super easy way to remedy these problems. You could tag every gallery with "big boobs" and "big breasts" and "big tits" and … well that's not that efficient especially in hindsight, or you could provide an interface, where you just check the tags you want to include in your search, but that probably means that direct text search just matches filenames, which does reduce usability imo and becomes less useful as the number of tags increases.
    You actually want more meaningful tags that represent a concept your machine "understands", rather than a bunch of "meaningless" characters, and that concept can have a few aliases making it easier to find it with regular search queries, you also want a defined relationship between a resource (an image in our case) and the value of the tag (or another resource), like "image01 shows the character Sayako, the artist is Miro, and the fetishes you see are big boobs, and a dickgirl" (this provides a better description of the image than "image01 has the keywords Sayako, Miro, big boobs, dickgirl). To achieve that you actually need a description of your terms in use (a Vocabulary) and a formal description of the relationships between these terms (an Ontology). Such a formal description also allows inference, which is imo always nice to have if you search for something. An example: Any image of Sayako also shows big boobs and a dickgirl… because these are "properties" of Sayako. So you could define in your Ontology that the term "Sayako" entails "big boobs" and "dickgirl" (you could even add "purple hair" if you wanted…), that means less work while tagging images and relevant images show up even if they are not directly tagged as such. Another example - subconcepts: I think not too long ago they came up with the tag "huge breasts" on e-hentai for bigger boobs than "big breasts" … now galleries with massive titties are tagged with both, although "huge breasts" is a subset of "big breasts". You can also define the aliases in your Ontology and lots of other stuff...
    The chore here is defining, managing and extending the Vocabulary and the Ontology…
    I think this approach is superior to the way it's usually done at the moment… also allows to create better search interfaces imo.
    In essence you want well structured data so your search engine can execute more sophisticated tasks and returns better results.
    This is actually often used in eLearning systems… there were quite a few initiatives to create standards how to annotate learning material and projects to develop vocabulary with proper terms (e.g. dublincore.org/ ), so I did not completely pull this idea out of my ass :P
    "Surprisingly" there is no project that specifies how to properly annotate porn… maybe we should start one lol
    And like 15 years ago Tim Berners Lee (the guy that pretty much invented the World Wide Web - aka the Internet - as we know it today) thought this could be a good idea for the Web, so he and the W3C (the organization that standardizes all the Web stuff like HTML, CSS etc. ) came up with a bunch of technologies to provide that and called the whole vision the "Semantic Web" ( in case you like specifications (as if anyone does…): http://www.w3.org/standards/semanticweb/ RDF Abstract Syntax is especially "interesting"… but if I were you I'd rather read how to implement your own Raytracer, since that's far more relevant to the stuff you usually do^^)
    So in grey theory the stuff is there, but barely anyone really uses it^^
    I don't think any gallery system provides something similar in all it's glory, should an application do that and implement some nice ideas to organize your favorites, I'd consider it as cool xD
    But as you see these are all implementation details, there is not much you can do as a user "on the surface"
    Writing your own OWL reasoner and RDF processing Framework is no trivial task either.

    @'miro':

    tagging shouldn't be hard though, maybe a check list or pick from previous tags, so you only type in once for the most part, public tagging is possible, but not sure it's necessary

    Well in my experience people tend to get pretty lazy pretty fast^^ but artists tagging their uploads seems to work fine for most galleries… we'll see. I'm probably too pessimistic.


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    @'Alpensepp':

    I'm not saying (or at least didn't want to) that gallery systems are crap…
    just the way they are usually implemented is not that great. Like keyword search and simple keyword tagging is awfully suboptimal for content annotation and retrieval… and there are better technologies out there to do that.
    And the way users can organize their favorites is usually not that sophisticated either...
    Maybe there is super fancy stuff out there, but what I've seen usually doesn't knock my socks off^^ I still like to have a gallery feature nonetheless.

    have you come across a good way of handling this, other than tags? well I'd assume categories, tags, and maybe searching descriptions

    @'Alpensepp':

    Well the problem with artists tagging their stuff is that they have to do it… which might get rather boring. If all users can tag the content, there is less work for a single person... the obvious problem here is that all users can do the tagging :P

    tagging shouldn't be hard though, maybe a check list or pick from previous tags, so you only type in once for the most part, public tagging is possible, but not sure it's necessary



  • @'miro':

    well most of 3dx right now is driven by aspiring artists, so it does make sense

    I'm not saying (or at least didn't want to) that gallery systems are crap…
    just the way they are usually implemented is not that great. Like keyword search and simple keyword tagging is awfully suboptimal for content annotation and retrieval… and there are better technologies out there to do that.
    And the way users can organize their favorites is usually not that sophisticated either...
    Maybe there is super fancy stuff out there, but what I've seen usually doesn't knock my socks off^^ I still like to have a gallery feature nonetheless.

    Well the problem with artists tagging their stuff is that they have to do it... which might get rather boring. If all users can tag the content, there is less work for a single person... the obvious problem here is that all users can do the tagging :P


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    Could be an option, wonder if they allow embedding without side effects and still to a degree ur relying on a third party.



  • I wouldnt worry about traffic. Just allow using images from different servers for users that have posted a certain amount of images so you can be sure that only trustworthy people will be able to use that. I would actually prefer posting images by just entering a link to my minus account since that is always very fast.


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    @'Alpensepp':

    I guess some sort of gallery system would be nice… I think you'd want userupload, so artists can put up their stuff, user comments and at least some decent tagging feature for pseudo efficient filtering/searching...
    I wouldn't call this feature particularly cool, but this is as far as current gallery systems go afaik.

    well most of 3dx right now is driven by aspiring artists, so it does make sense

    @'Alpensepp':

    This obviously raises a bunch of new questions: Who should be able to upload stuff? Who's supposed to view it? Who does the tagging and how is the tagging done in the first place?
    And the most important one: Who maintains/administrates this? … some day you might need more than two staff members^^
    It probably generates a lot more traffic, in transfered data that is..

    If we're going to do a gallery feature it should be open to everyone, the artist would do the tagging as they know best, we'd also have categories so people could filter out dick girls for example and leave all the good stuff to the professional pervs :D
    I'm not too concerned about traffic, we're eyeing out better hosting solutions where download won't be an issue

    @'Alpensepp':

    And the most important one: Who maintains/administrates this? … some day you might need more than two staff members^^
    It probably generates a lot more traffic, in transfered data that is...

    yeah, true, well we won't police the uploads, I mean we're basically only looking for illegal material, we'd add a reporting feature to begin with and see if it that is sufficient to identify and deal with such material, but I don't think that will be much of an issue at least initially

    @'Alpensepp':

    And since the forum already has some sort of calendar: actually using it with an event system wouldn't hurt either. Stuff like "n days till artist feature xy", "n days left till competition z is over" and "n days till Miro's next release gets delayed again" :P
    So it's like an automated "Next up on Affect 3D"… not sure if the current calendar provides this functionality, but there are most probably some out-of-the-box solutions for this.

    we've been talking about events, and have some ideas on the table, there will be a number of events this year
    … oh and more Affect3D releases, but you know the deal with patience being a virtue right... =)
    Btw, keep an eye on the evil nuns set, will be updating this week!

    @'Alpensepp':

    Some design tweaks would be appreciated.
    There is nothing wrong with the site usability wise, but some fancy CSS3 stuff is always a good thing.

    I agree, we'd aim to make the site as light and usable as possible, including css/ ajax stuff where possible

    but it's great to see that the site is is perfect in every other aspect ;) or do we have more ideas??? let me know


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    @'munrah':

    browsable gallery could be good and add a category where beginner can post their work without shame.(i'm always think my work is so far from your stuff that i hesitate to post).

    ok seems to be a common theme not only from comments here

    and sure that would be open to beginners, encouraged actually, by making it easy to upload, we're also looking to add tutorials and such
    speaking of which, your stuff is not beginner anymore, you should have seen the stuff that I did when I started out ;) …. dont worry I sent it over to North Korea when they did nuclear testing :D



  • I guess some sort of gallery system would be nice… I think you'd want userupload, so artists can put up their stuff, user comments and at least some decent tagging feature for pseudo efficient filtering/searching...
    I wouldn't call this feature particularly cool, but this is as far as current gallery systems go afaik.
    This obviously raises a bunch of new questions: Who should be able to upload stuff? Who's supposed to view it? Who does the tagging and how is the tagging done in the first place?
    And the most important one: Who maintains/administrates this? ... some day you might need more than two staff members^^
    It probably generates a lot more traffic, in transfered data that is...

    And since the forum already has some sort of calendar: actually using it with an event system wouldn't hurt either. Stuff like "n days till artist feature xy", "n days left till competition z is over" and "n days till Miro's next release gets delayed again" :P
    So it's like an automated "Next up on Affect 3D"... not sure if the current calendar provides this functionality, but there are most probably some out-of-the-box solutions for this.

    Some design tweaks would be appreciated.
    There is nothing wrong with the site usability wise, but some fancy CSS3 stuff is always a good thing.


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