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  • @'CyCaDeLiC':

    In 3DX and Porn: Yes, of course. Visually women are treated as objects. But behind the visual surface girls get backround stories much more often than men who really are objects as they don't even have a life - especially in 3DX, where you can't even speak of men sometimes…maybe "penetrator" hits it. Freely exchangable, while remarkable women mostly appear in (several) series and gain a certain fandom. That's partly true for porn (women & men in that case), and all in all I think it is perfectly fine the way it is... after all we're speaking of material that is meant to be this way, erotic/pornographic, aimed to fulfill desires in a visual/auditory way.

    This is a fantastic observation that I never would have considered. As a 3DX artist myself–with a heterosexual male target audience--I find that I spend a great deal more time on my female characters than my male: on their appearance, on their attire, on how they are presented in each comic. The girls are definitely the stars, the focus, and one might think that that would lead to greater objectification, as their sexual appeal is their primary importance. But, ironically, the increased focus on these characters has a secondary effect: they become more complete, more well-rounded characters. Their stories are more involved, their motivations more real. Their increased focus results in greater depth--much as increased focus on a character in any story tends to lead them from one-dimensional to multi-dimensional--moving them away from objectification, rather than towards it.

    Thank you for giving me something to mull over.



  • Women are capable of as much objectifying and cruelty toward men, as men are toward women. its sexist to think of all women as innocent doe-eyed and pure girly girls


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    @'Azersaenz':

    As an amusing point, I was showing my wife some of the pictures on the site here and she thought it was funny that here the artists have complete absolute control of the model and can do nearly anything your imagination can come up with to them…and you add a penis?

    Not being a fan of dickgirls I couldn't argue with that much.

    Isn't adding a penis a sign of absolute control? Certainly something that doesn't work nearly as well in RL :D



  • As an amusing point, I was showing my wife some of the pictures on the site here and she thought it was funny that here the artists have complete absolute control of the model and can do nearly anything your imagination can come up with to them…and you add a penis?

    Not being a fan of dickgirls I couldn't argue with that much.

    To answer the question, yes I do thing they are objectified. Though the individual artist may give them some power over the situation based on their level of comfort with the work they have done. I don't really see how this can be avoided however. I think this is still the case in porn and media designed by women where they tend to empathize with the model more.

    I think it comes down to what each person finds appealing about a certain scene action or situation. For me, I don't like seeing pain in expressions, or anything too closely resembling jailbait. Too much helplessness or restraints is also not a good thing.

    On the other hand if the model/girl is really enjoying herself it is the opposite, as long as it is believable based on what is going on. If she is the seductress in the situation it is also a plus.

    I think I answered the question...



  • Simply yes, sorry 3d filth is just like that. Its male dominated.


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    women as objects?… of course objects of desire!
    What more could the beautiful gender hope for :D

    But I think the question is obviously whether porn "degrades" women to being fuck holes on the same level as say a blow up sex doll. And the answer is no, there is no question it tries hard to do so, because of "stupid blond" syndrome, minimalism camera work, etc, etc

    But no it's definitely not porn that objectifies it's the viewer! Think about it. You go and watch with a certain perception of women, this perception wasn't shaped by porn and will not be changed by porn, it was shaped by your parental upbringing, family environment, society, etc.

    For me for example women are the sexiest most beautiful, delicate, mesmerizing beings ever to exist on this earth and as far as I'm concerned the universe. Pretty much with everything I do, I have women on my mind, it's the reason I ended up in this field. I LOVE women =) I don't care whether it's nature, the urge to procreate, upbringing, what have you, it's how it is and I don't plan on fighting it.

    So regardless of whether I watch a tasteful nude art movie or a "dumb blond" getting gang banged by 100 cocks my perception of women will not change.

    So the real questions are:

    1. There are some people who certainly see women as objects and nothing more than a bunch of sluts that serve no other purpose than to be fucked senseless. Why is that? What is their "problem"?
    2. There are some people who do nothing more than blame all the worlds miseries on porn. Why is that? And what is their "problem"?

    I suspect the answer to objectification lies in the answers to these questions :)



  • Of course….and a lot of them (including me!) are quite happy with that. It is how we have some power over bigger men. Porn and real life are not always that separate.



  • well i'd say an interesting discussion i see here and as usual as many people as many opinions, but first i'd ask what do we see as an object and objectification ?! depending on answer to that we can follow on discussion topic
    but let's not go that far, as for 3D it's as it was said it depends on the artist, from what i can tell about known to me artist their models are not being objectified in a negative way, since they are objects, objects of desire, admiration appreciation, of art, that is as far it goes for pictures(single no stories) as for stories it depends on author and most of all content, as for animations they're usually much closer to real life porn, but i don't have much experience with them so my opinion may be flawed, still in those few animations that i know i wouldn't say that they are, take umemaro for example, do you really see his female characters as "objects" ?! on the other hand males (and in most cases not only his) are well limited to being just cocks (that goes for porn as well) which is partially from certain technic of filming\creating that is supposed to allow viewer (usually male) to identify hiself with the actor to let him feel like it is him out there, and as for real porn,i don't know how many viewers are in here but for me it's plain boring the so called acting of both parties, usually pretty badly mixed cuts and loops and all other things , i'd say that in most cases female is just a hole or two, or three, and guy\s
    well, one does the talking throwing about crappy lines and expressing his "love" for her physique and other "main actor" is usually just a cock for the job, and for classic photoshoots or movies with just a female posing and all, mostly it's the same as for 3D pics, it's a form of art, however if toys get involved it goes way down to the level of "porn"(there's always an exception ) at leats movies, picture sets are better at hiding certain things, and it's not the topic but most objectification of females we have in hentai mangas and animes especially those real hardcore



  • Speaking honestly for myself; women are not treated as objects in my stories. Sluts, cumdumpsters, etc. oh hell yeah. But in my stories, it's the guys who are just objects I 'have' to have since floating cocks look stupid.

    After many years corresponding with females about stories, etc. I find that all of the women's fantasies are much more intense and perverse than a man's sexual fantasy. And the journey from prim and proper lady of standing/position to her final state as a cum drenched and begging for more slut is just joyous to me.



  • @'kadosho':

    Nothing wrong with speaking your mind, ymomy (even if its not your usual language). *But the pay, holy jeez that is crazy. And I thought Hollywood was insane enough with their pay grades with regular films.
    I believe that characters designed in projects like 3DX depend on the artists that create them. Its their world, they are sharing some of its viewpoints with us as viewers. And we look at is we want to. And if its ever too much, we look away, or our curiosity gets the best of us.

    **
    …our curiosity gets the best of us**
    :P good works :P That was the way I found the world of 3DX

    @'zirusete':

    Totally agree with Ymomy.
    Y yo soy español, si es que alguna vez necesitas algo (traducir, digo).

    :D Alfin encontre una camarada de idioma :D



  • While there are those who consider them as "objects", not everyone shares the same view. In my case, it's a little more complex than yes or no. I don't see them as objects. Rather, they appeal to me as beautiful entities deserving of appreciation. Such appreciation may also lead to fantasize about them. Of course even if people claim they don't see them as objects by popular definition, third parties who observe them may still judge them as people who do. The bottom line is, I don't concern myself about whether or not I consider them as objects. I just enjoy the allure of women, whether they be depicted in works of art or appear in person.



  • Totally agree with Ymomy.

    Y yo soy español, si es que alguna vez necesitas algo (traducir, digo).



  • @'hzr':

    When youre talking about the real world that is fine, but remember that this was about actors/figures in 3dx and regular porn. And in this context I am pretty sure that women objectify the persons and figures as much as men do. They are in this scene to give visual pleasure to the viewer, no matter which gender. I agree with you though that theres of course lots of differences between us, men are from mars and women are from venus :)

    I probably just misunderstand women as much as the next guy, but to me it clearly sounds as naughty as men when I am at home and the bunch of friends of my girlfriend are with us and they are talking about men, or mostly the "features" of us :)

    Good points hzr! I guess I was referring to real women and not 3DX women. Dummy me… /(>_<)

    Since I like futa girls and newhalfs most, I'm probably objectifying the penis. I didn't even realize! (._. )



  • Nothing that has not been said before, but:
    Women in any erotic/pornographic content serve one main purpose… to (visually) please the viewer. Well and that's pretty much it, because porn usually does not strive to achieve something else. So they definitely are "objectified".
    But it's certainly no different for male characters. In 3DX most female characters at least have a name and every now and then some background information, while this is rarely the case for dudes... they are pretty much sex toys/tools in human shape and nothing more. Similar situation in 2D: the guys are often faceless silhouettes and some artists draw the same guy since 10+ years xD
    So while women are objectified the guys are even more.



  • @'renderfan':

    I disagree with hzr that women view men the same as men view women. Women are afraid of men and men are not afraid of women which is a big difference! It's true that women want sex as much as men, but for different reasons. (^-^) Women respond to men by dressing pretty and wearing makeup. Most women don't view this as objectifying themselves. We like to dress up! A few feminists feel think dressing up is objectifying themselves, but this is a political thing. (My neighbor in my dorm does not shave her legs! She's a lesbian, but I don't know any women who are attracted to her!) (>,<)

    When youre talking about the real world that is fine, but remember that this was about actors/figures in 3dx and regular porn. And in this context I am pretty sure that women objectify the persons and figures as much as men do. They are in this scene to give visual pleasure to the viewer, no matter which gender. I agree with you though that theres of course lots of differences between us, men are from mars and women are from venus :)

    I probably just misunderstand women as much as the next guy, but to me it clearly sounds as naughty as men when I am at home and the bunch of friends of my girlfriend are with us and they are talking about men, or mostly the "features" of us :)



  • @'Katzekage':

    If someone presend a human male or female as an object, is it not up to you if you see him/her as that or as a human being? Am i the only one who look at the overall if i see something?? oO

    honor katz

    I think how a person views another person does not change the underlying nature of that person, in other words if you view a human male or female as an object, that doesnt make them an object, they a still a person



  • In 3DX and Porn: Yes, of course. Visually women are treated as objects. But behind the visual surface girls get backround stories much more often than men who really are objects as they don't even have a life - especially in 3DX, where you can't even speak of men sometimes…maybe "penetrator" hits it. Freely exchangable, while remarkable women mostly appear in (several) series and gain a certain fandom. That's partly true for porn (women & men in that case), and all in all I think it is perfectly fine the way it is... after all we're speaking of material that is meant to be this way, erotic/pornographic, aimed to fulfill desires in a visual/auditory way.



  • Nothing wrong with speaking your mind, ymomy (even if its not your usual language). *But the pay, holy jeez that is crazy. And I thought Hollywood was insane enough with their pay grades with regular films.
    I believe that characters designed in projects like 3DX depend on the artists that create them. Its their world, they are sharing some of its viewpoints with us as viewers. And we look at is we want to. And if its ever too much, we look away, or our curiosity gets the best of us.



  • In porn, women are not objects are actresses. In my country (average no porn stars) the porn actresses are paid $ 3000 per movie and the actors are paid $ 150 :huh: Does that seem right?. Every one of us have fetishes, tastes and fantasies unique, maybe sometimes similar but unique at end, plus today many producers of pornography are managed by women who had been porn actresses
    :shy:
    The 3DX women are not real so it does not bother me. I am a woman and I do not offend the 3DX images, if they are too hardcore I just do not see them

    Sorry if my text was not concise and concrete but express my ideas and thoughts in English I find it hard sometimes… Sorry :P

    :exclamation: ¿Hay alguien aqui que hable español? :exclamation:

    or another woman that expresses her opinion
    :rolleyes:


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