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  • No I don't think I'd mess with the rigging of the geograft so it could be posed, I would just morph it in Hexagon as and when I needed to. Though I guess learning to rig would also be a good thing to learn. When I looked into it the weight mapping looked like it would take days so I haven't really bothered since. It would certainly help if Daz made a better interface for it, rather than all the right clicking and going through sub-menus.

    I haven't seen the need to step up to Gen2 at all. If the figure had a lot more geometry than Gen1 I probably would, but I've compared them side by side and there doesn't seem to be much difference. Not where the boobs are concerned at least.

    Also, if anyone's interested, there's a useful thread on 4chan right now. It's about lactating, which is not really useful for this subject, but there's loads of squeezing going on. I don't know the policy on posting links, but just in case I'm not allowed it ends in gif/thread/6228712/
    I reckon some of the images there will help me when I try this again.



  • @'Cheetiot':

    Absolutely agree on all they squeezy facts. It's what I was trying to do, and was using a reference picture as a guide. I'll have to get around to learning to graft so I can do what Elmo suggests. I've got to learn how to do it anyway, as one of my characters is supposed to have 3 boobs. Now that will be an interesting challenge for a noob like me.

    Are you going to try to rig that third tit so it can be posed? Yeah, that's going to be a challenge. ;)

    Don't worry, I'm sure you'll figure it out. I'd be working on this too, but I'm in the middle of converting my main character, Analia, to Genesis 2 Female. Solving the anus problem comes first. Her name's Analia for a reason. After that, I'll have to work on giving her a squeezable butt. Look up at my avatar. Wouldn't you want to squeeze that?



  • Absolutely agree on all they squeezy facts. It's what I was trying to do, and was using a reference picture as a guide. I'll have to get around to learning to graft so I can do what Elmo suggests. I've got to learn how to do it anyway, as one of my characters is supposed to have 3 boobs. Now that will be an interesting challenge for a noob like me.



  • Looks good Cheetiot….but (and that "but" includes everybody, and is a bit inorganic)

    A boob has an internal volume/area which cannot be added to or removed from. This internal volume is contained within a flexible outer shell. When the outer shell is deformed or compressed the internal volume has to go somewhere within that shell and deforms that shell equally in all directions unless the shell is constrained by outside objects.

    Basically, squeeze a boob in one area, it gets bigger in others. Thats where the artistic skill or software comes in. If you want to do a realistic boob squeeze (as defined by how a real boob would react to being squeezed) you either have to draw a copy of a real boob being squeezed or use something like Poser's bullet physics.

    http://erotic-3d-art.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/gis02.jpg
    http://erotic-3d-art.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/gis03.jpg

    Nothing else will look real, no matter how much you squint at it.



  • @'Cheetiot':

    Right, just had a quick go at this, literally no more than 30 mins, and I soon started to think my idea won't work.

    Exporting Genesis as an obj with 1 level of subdivision still didn't really give enough detail for morphing it in Hex. It might work for small amounts of squeezing or maybe squeezing firmer skin, but for soft boobs and butts I think way more geometry would be needed.

    The main issue is trying to get the skin to squeeze upwards a little bit between the gaps in the fingers, but I couldn't do it without some clipping occuring.

    There's collision detection for clothes in Daz, it's just a shame there's none for skin on skin. Even if it did exist, I doubt it would squeeze the skin correctly, but might give us a bit of a starting point for our own modifications.

    If you set the SubDivision Level to 2 or even 3 you should have enough polygons.

    You may want to consider using a geo-graft since the entire surface doesn't need all that extra detail.

    I've been reading up on Blender. It's got the collision detection and it's possible to script it.

    What you've done so far looks good.



  • looks good ! waiting for moar :)



  • Right, just had a quick go at this, literally no more than 30 mins, and I soon started to think my idea won't work.

    Exporting Genesis as an obj with 1 level of subdivision still didn't really give enough detail for morphing it in Hex. It might work for small amounts of squeezing or maybe squeezing firmer skin, but for soft boobs and butts I think way more geometry would be needed.

    The main issue is trying to get the skin to squeeze upwards a little bit between the gaps in the fingers, but I couldn't do it without some clipping occuring.

    There's collision detection for clothes in Daz, it's just a shame there's none for skin on skin. Even if it did exist, I doubt it would squeeze the skin correctly, but might give us a bit of a starting point for our own modifications.



  • @'fredfred5150':

    uummm…have you considered the possibility that the reason you don't see much of this sort of thing is because it's probably too difficult or time consuming for all but the most talented, or most persevering artists?

    As far I can can tell you pretty much have to "draw" the fondling/squeezing yourself using the right tools/software.

    Nah. I'm starting to think that the right combination of geo-grafting and Python scripting can bring the boob and/or butt squeeze within the reach of the early intermediate or even late beginner.

    Perseverance is certainly a requirement, but not talent. There's no talent needed for this kind of thing.

    After thinking more about it, another reason for the rarity is that sequential artists are much less common than piece artists. Sequential artists are much more likely to need these kind of techniques.



  • @'fredfred5150':

    uummm…have you considered the possibility that the reason you don't see much of this sort of thing is because it's probably too difficult or time consuming for all but the most talented, or most persevering artists?

    As far I can can tell you pretty much have to "draw" the fondling/squeezing yourself using the right tools/software.

    I'm really not expecting it to be a quick, "make breasts squishy, because guy is grabbing them" button. Although that would be really neat.
    But maybe I wasn't clear enough what the problem is that I'm having. Seeing as english isn't my first language.
    It actually has more to do with the textures or mats disappearing, when I'm done with making the changes in either mudbox or zbrush.
    I export a scene from daz, as an .obj and then i can import that to octane and tweak the materials. That .obj has a lot of texture slots
    But if I import the same .obj this way Daz - (mudbox or zbrush) - Octane. As soon as it opens in octane the whole .obj it has one texture slot.
    And what is strange is that's even if i did some changes or not.

    I hope that explains it



  • uummm…have you considered the possibility that the reason you don't see much of this sort of thing is because it's probably too difficult or time consuming for all but the most talented, or most persevering artists?

    As far I can can tell you pretty much have to "draw" the fondling/squeezing yourself using the right tools/software.



  • @'SinCyprine':

    i'm a complete noob regarding zbrush & things but i read you cant add/substract polygons while editing your figure, or you get trouble… is that whats happening ?

    Yeah, I thought that was the problem at first, but a wasn't adding anything, it was merely, smoothing or enhancing creases in skin, or creating dents where fingers touch skin.
    I'm probably in way over my head with that level of detail.

    Edit:
    Maybe I'll try my hand at hexagon, It looks as if by using the daz bridge to hexagon, i could set up the scene, make smaller changes in hex, before sending it back to daz and exporting as an .obj before finally rendering in octane.



  • i'm a complete noob regarding zbrush & things but i read you cant add/substract polygons while editing your figure, or you get trouble… is that whats happening ?



  • I have tried making morphs, or rather just detailing of a mesh and been having headaches over what should really be a simple thing.
    So, I finish the scene, save one duf version, if i want to make changes, and the other as an.obj (ready to render)
    and I have tried Zbrush and mudbox, importing the .obj file and just smooth some things here and there, and export.
    Then the obj. is missing its maps when I'm going to render it. And I can't for the life of me find a decent tutorial where someone just explains what's going on, It's almost always, "oh why are you using a daz model" and never "Hey here is someone trying his hand at 3d sculpting, lets be helpful" It's really just an elitist crowd around both mudbox and zbrush.
    So yeah, that's my luck with both of those programs.



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