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  • @'fredfred5150':

    Everything above is well said :)

    on the whole subject of ageification….I blame the Japanese, and those westerners dumb/horny enough to play along

    Nah, just blame the westerners. The porn/sex laws of Japan were basically set up by General MacArthur.



  • Everything above is well said :)

    on the whole subject of ageification….I blame the Japanese, and those westerners dumb/horny enough to play along



  • After objectively reexamining the issue, I have now changed my position on Ageification.
    Initially, being this was a pretty new concept to me I figured "If we grow as people, why not fictional characters?". Previously I had thought of fictional characters as static and unchanging except in their original context.

    I had thought it (ageification) an effective way to combat lolicon and shotacon. Hzr showed me how that can backfire and thus the flaw in this thinking. He also said that it was a way of avoiding moral discussion about the issue.

    Fredfred pointed out there's an implication that age may merely be covering up for what artists and fans alike finding the original child character attractive in a sexual way. Now it is clear to me why ageification hadn't occurred to me before: It's merely another layer on top of the reason I avoided loli and shota in the first place. It's obviously underage characters.

    So while there's arguments

    • they're just fictional characters, it isn't hurting anyone
    • they can grow up like real people because we were all kids once upon a time
    • hey why not an adult version

    I was ignorant and wrong. I hadn't made the connection before because I never gave it all that much thought. You're allowed to be ignorant once. Now that it has occurred to me consciously, this is IMO still objectifying essentially a child. I'd rather be seen as a prude, a coward, someone who "limits" my potential, than someone who might have a fetish for underage jailbait. I do not. This isn't because others might approve or disapprove. This is because of ethics, principle, and what I think. Though it isn't necessarily a bad thing to at least consider what other people think, especially where one might endanger his own reputation and give people the wrong idea about himself.

    I conclude ageification of the young is only acceptable for illustrative purposes, and not for explicit porn/hentai. Ecchi is questionable at best and not acceptable to me because it is a short step from this (suggestive) material to more explicit material. If ever I am to ageify a character, it will be restricted. A pleasant favorable adult version of characters, as fan art, for morphing a character and seeing perspective is understandable. Perhaps even encourageable for general audiences.

    If a character in original context is not of age, it is not going into the 18+ category. I've drawn the line, and that's that.

    Sure there's characters in original context who start out underage but end up at least A.O.C. if not surpassing it. I'm not sure what to make of that. There's also internationally varying A.O.C. and issues about bridging the gaps. Maybe bridging gaps or ageifying them isn't quite so bad because they're "close" for my A.O,C. and quite ready in other areas…I'm going to just sit these out for the time being, frankly. I'm not really in the mood for this discussion right now.



  • I guess even an adult version of a character like Roll, for me personally, is more to see what they'd look like. I've thought about it since original post, and can't really bring myself to bear seeing much more of Roll than that. Perhaps it's just the longstanding familiarity with the character that brings a certain respect I can't break.

    Ageification, may be an answer and (hopefully) a combattant against shota and loli. Though if there is something I've noticed, the Japanese have an overall different view of this.

    One example: The Princess Maker series of games. My introduction to it was a video of High Class Harlot ending for PM2. I was curious enough to check and see what the rest of the game was about.
    Apparently raising a girl form 10 years old to adulthood. I have very mixed feelings about it, honestly. I doubt I'll ever play it anyways. Once I learned what it was about…I lost interest.
    While not hentai, a review sums it up nicely: "A game that tries to be hentai, and tread precariously close to crossing into the underage taboo" (referring to the decensor patches and whatnot).

    But there are some points worth discussing. Afterall, I've seen disclaimers by some artists here that they won't add underage characters, and they will be "ageified" if these must be included.

    @'hzr':

    Making them older evades the moral discussion about it yes. But then again, it might even open up the pandoras box because now you are creating a sexyfied version of said character and since there wont be endless supply of sexy pictures of that new version. Newfound fans of this character will then turn to the non adult version sooner or later. Its just a matter of demand and supply. Humans are bad beings when they are not in a group or being watched all the time :)

    You know, I hadn't considered how it might backfire like that. Good point. Even if it was in jest. And yet I'm inclined to say those who go there will be a small number, while the rest of us will just simply lose interest as we should.

    @'fredfred5150':

    Speaking as a (temporarily disabled) artist who had pics rejected for posting on this forum….

    The supposed age of a character is a totally subjective thing, one persons "midget with pigtails" is another persons "underage character"

    Another question worth considering: Do subjectivity and arbitrariness invalidate ageification necessarily?

    As for the agefication of an existing character, the underlying implication (imo) is that the artist found the underage version sexually enticing enough to make a palatable version through which to live out all their original fantasies. Same goes for anyone who views and gets off on it.

    Hadn't put that much thought into it. Over-thinking it gives the impression of hiding something, where this should be about openness.

    I just figure why not a 25 year old version of a said character.

    The assumption you appear to make in your argument is that people who want to ageify a given character find the original (child) design sexually attractive. So are we implying ageification is merely a mask for latent pedophilia?

    I can see where that might be the case sometimes. Other times, not so much. For example: Does that assumption also hold for finding someone (real or ficitonal) attractive that you previously hadn't before?

    Now for a joke….;The age of consent in my country is 16 which is below the legal drinking age. so we have a saying:

    "shes too young to drink, but old enough to swallow" :D

    lol facepalm Guess it's the over-under dilemma. Over 18, and under 21 in America.

    @'Rivaliant':

    :: Face palm ::
    This is a warning, I'm going to say some things most you guys may not want to hear.
    And as much as I Don't want to start an augment. I feel like I have to say it and call out the ass end of the elephant in the room about this.

    I like this, but then i don't like the mentality behind it

    yea, it is a very good mental exercise to think what of a younger character grew up and went through those stages of development. But doing that Just to make said character into a pornographic fantasy does the whole process an injustice.

    How about stopping short of porn? Like Ecchi and fanservice. Then what? (Some people still consider that porn)

    Because I have 2 issues with this and one point that actually contradict what my second point some what.

    Now this is a porn central site, so there isn't a place to argue "sexyfing" a character has its issues of "objectifying"

    While I will agree that its alil sticky turning a child character into an adult just for Sex and/or the portrayal of Sex, making the objectification of the original child character as a sex object.

    Its a cop-out, and you shouldn't be trying to Justify it.
    Its Dishonest and in my opinion, alil delusional because you still are objectifying a child character.
    Pretty much what FredFred is saying

    "I think Loli and shota is wrong" But you clearly have an interest in a child character in a sexual situation as long as they appear to be adult.
    I mean in the Roll example used for the "ageification' , She is even wearing the same outfit.
    Clear there is an interest in her child like design that is being masked with an adult figure and boobs
    I maybe stepping out of bounds here because i'm sure that was the point of the image
    (Classic Roll outfit on a sexy adult version)

    The mindset I'd initially intended was: "If people IRL can grow up, why not fictional characters?" But by your answer it seems this wasn't received that way apparently. :-/

    The context, idea, and interest came from seeing the posted image and also seeing rather attractive women cosplayers donning costumes of characters like these. That and watching numerous arguments pop up on 4chan about this.

    With the Roll example, this was a case of never "seeing" her "like that" before. I'd originally left her behind because, well, she didn't grow up with me and I'd simply lost interest in general, seeing other more prominent characters from Marvel DC, and even Capcom. Wonder Woman, Chun Li, characters who had always been grown women.

    Suppose if I hadn't seen cosplayers, this image, and lurked on numerous discussions at 4chan, this might never have come up.

    "Its not Lolicon/Shotacon if they are 'grownup' " but
    "Curiosity is also a very strong element that makes fans show a type of obvious eagerness to see their favorite or even common anime characters in sexual situations." is the whole reason lolicon/shotacon as well as the whole pantheon of fetishes in art exists in the first place.

    This is why I find nothing wrong with Lolicon and Shotacon.
    Its a messed up stance to take, but I know what is art and fantasy for the sake of enjoyment that doesn't infringe on the rights of another being.

    HowEver!, if You want to see a character that isn't in a present stage of your perception of attractiveness

    Then just bring them to your personal standard without the dishonesty, that is the art.

    I know that kinda breaks down my argument because then anyone can use my argument if you age up child character anyways
    But if you want to see them as an Adult in a sexual situation
    Then Just Do that.

    …I thought that was the point here?

    As to your echo of FredFred's point:

    don't say " wanted to see them grow up and become and be an adult so it can dispel any notion of it being child porn" ( which lolicon/shotacon Isn't… )
    Really makes you sound like a even bigger creep.

    Edit; I can see in my OP where that impression came up. All I wanted to get across is that naturally interest in some characters was lost over time as one begins to see things differently. As one grows, the other didn't and was left behind for want of different characters.

    Then much later this pops up /

    Sure it has a disclaimer, but that's what ageification basically is: an implicit (and perhaps explicit) awareness/acknowledgment the character originally was a child but is no longer for a following adaptation. There has to be at least some forethought or prior consideration as it's unavoidable.

    @'komblkaurn':

    Sorry to be pedantic, but the AOC in many states in the US is 16. In Canada it depends on the age of both parties involved but 12 is the minimum given by law, with 14 being nearly equivalent to some of the US's standards.

    Hm. Hadn't been aware of that…

    I mean I'd heard 16 was AOC in some areas of Canada, but that's about it.

    I like the idea of ageification as a different way of looking at a character for fun, but nothing more. I see no need to change anything about a fictional character for moral purposes. We have ethics regarding the objectification or sexualization of real people for good reason; but fiction has no need for such ways of thinking. Why worry about objectifying something that not only is not a person, but not an object; fiction is an idea, an abstraction to be used in any way an individual desires, limited only by the individual's creativity. Ageification? Sure. De-ageification? Why not? Whatever weird shit pops into your head? Go for it, fantasy is not reality and should not be treated as such.

    This is more at what I thought. They're humanized to some extent, so figure why not simply have a 25 year old version of a given character?

    If we were really worried about the moral aspects of it, wouldn't we just avoid the subject entirely?



  • @'~ArgonCyanide777':

    In America (or 'murica if you prefer), our age of consent is 18. Other countries it is 16.

    I'm sure there's numerous other characters that have interesting designs but are simply too young. So, why not make them grown up? (unless of course you have objections on that particular character outside of anything other than original portrayal and fanart meant for general audiences)

    Sorry to be pedantic, but the AOC in many states in the US is 16. In Canada it depends on the age of both parties involved but 12 is the minimum given by law, with 14 being nearly equivalent to some of the US's standards.

    I like the idea of ageification as a different way of looking at a character for fun, but nothing more. I see no need to change anything about a fictional character for moral purposes. We have ethics regarding the objectification or sexualization of real people for good reason; but fiction has no need for such ways of thinking. Why worry about objectifying something that not only is not a person, but not an object; fiction is an idea, an abstraction to be used in any way an individual desires, limited only by the individual's creativity. Ageification? Sure. De-ageification? Why not? Whatever weird shit pops into your head? Go for it, fantasy is not reality and should not be treated as such.

    @'hzr':

    Humans are bad beings when they are not in a group or being watched all the time :)

    Hopefully this was a joke :)

    @'Rivaliant':

    This is why I find nothing wrong with Lolicon and Shotacon.
    Its a messed up stance to take, but I know what is art and fantasy for the sake of enjoyment that doesn't infringe on the rights of another being.

    Well said



  • :: Face palm ::
    This is a warning, I'm going to say some things most you guys may not want to hear.
    And as much as I Don't want to start an augment. I feel like I have to say it and call out the ass end of the elephant in the room about this.

    I like this, but then i don't like the mentality behind it

    yea, it is a very good mental exercise to think what of a younger character grew up and went through those stages of development. But doing that Just to make said character into a pornographic fantasy does the whole process an injustice.

    Because I have 2 issues with this and one point that actually contradict what my second point some what.

    Now this is a porn central site, so there isn't a place to argue "sexyfing" a character has its issues of "objectifying"

    While I will agree that its alil sticky turning a child character into an adult just for Sex and/or the portrayal of Sex, making the objectification of the original child character as a sex object.

    Its a cop-out, and you shouldn't be trying to Justify it.
    Its Dishonest and in my opinion, alil delusional because you still are objectifying a child character.
    Pretty much what FredFred is saying

    "I think Loli and shota is wrong" But you clearly have an interest in a child character in a sexual situation as long as they appear to be adult.
    I mean in the Roll example used for the "ageification' , She is even wearing the same outfit.
    Clear there is an interest in her child like design that is being masked with an adult figure and boobs
    I maybe stepping out of bounds here because i'm sure that was the point of the image
    (Classic Roll outfit on a sexy adult version)

    "Its not Lolicon/Shotacon if they are 'grownup' " but
    "Curiosity is also a very strong element that makes fans show a type of obvious eagerness to see their favorite or even common anime characters in sexual situations." is the whole reason lolicon/shotacon as well as the whole pantheon of fetishes in art exists in the first place.

    This is why I find nothing wrong with Lolicon and Shotacon.
    Its a messed up stance to take, but I know what is art and fantasy for the sake of enjoyment that doesn't infringe on the rights of another being.

    HowEver!, if You want to see a character that isn't in a present stage of your perception of attractiveness

    Then just bring them to your personal standard without the dishonesty, that is the art.

    I know that kinda breaks down my argument because then anyone can use my argument if you age up child character anyways
    But if you want to see them as an Adult in a sexual situation
    Then Just Do that.

    don't say " wanted to see them grow up and become and be an adult so it can dispel any notion of it being child porn" ( which lolicon/shotacon Isn't… )
    Really makes you sound like a even bigger creep.



  • Speaking as a (temporarily disabled) artist who had pics rejected for posting on this forum….

    The supposed age of a character is a totally subjective thing, one persons "midget with pigtails" is another persons "underage character"

    As for the agefication of an existing character, the underlying implication (imo) is that the artist found the underage version sexually enticing enough to make a palatable version through which to live out all their original fantasies. Same goes for anyone who views and gets off on it.

    Now for a joke....;The age of consent in my country is 16 which is below the legal drinking age. so we have a saying:

    "shes too young to drink, but old enough to swallow" :D



  • Making them older evades the moral discussion about it yes. But then again, it might even open up the pandoras box because now you are creating a sexyfied version of said character and since there wont be endless supply of sexy pictures of that new version. Newfound fans of this character will then turn to the non adult version sooner or later. Its just a matter of demand and supply. Humans are bad beings when they are not in a group or being watched all the time :)


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