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  • I had something pithy to say but Tiffany's avatar made me forget it. I would pay for whatever made that avatar… yow...



  • Is porn worth paying for….Yes:

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    All render images posted online are credited to Darkseal & newhere 2012

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    TNG figure comes with 2 different hair solutions. 1 is the "Bob" hairstyle. A nice, almost shoulder length, hair prop that has morphs included to move the bangs, change the length, and sway side to side, back and forth, with the wind. The second hair solution is for Poser's Hair room. A Skull Cap has been included to make the hair room "a breeze". Just add the skull cap smart prop to the figure, select it, and enter the hair room. Create your group and grow your style. Easy!

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  • A little late to the party, but I'm of two minds on this topic. I generally believe media/entertainment should be free to all. However, I do believe in supporting the artist, artists or studio behind the media/entertainment.

    I've torrented and used Morpheus/Napster/Kazaa in the past. On those occasions where I found something worthwhile I always went out and bought a record of the group in question. If not, I just deleted the song. I'd say this is akin hearing something on the radio.

    This also extends to porn. If I see something worth supporting I will. Although since I know for a fact not everyone shares my ideas on support content makers I understand why the current models for payment exist.

    So to piggy back on what the poster above me said, make a quality product, whatever it may be and people will pay or support your efforts.



  • @'Tiffany':

    Gonna just leave this here since it seems somewhat relevant: http://www.ted.com/talks/rob_reid_the_8_billion_ipod.html

    Thanks for that.

    It's good to have these kinds of discussions on intrinsic value and the legality of file sharing.

    Certainly, if you consider all that can be reduced to a digital form (video games, movies, music, books, images, news, etc), there needs to be some cost involved. Up until a decade or two ago, the idea of paying for computer files would've sounded crazy. Each major entertainment industry has changed and will continue to adapt to this new paradigm. Obviously the music industry has changed a lot over the past 10 years, but looking forward, I think movies and video games will be a lot different 10 years from now. Maybe dozens of $100+ million dollar blockbusters every year will become unsustainable.

    Here is Gabe Newell talking about the video game industry: "But our focus is really much on building something that's cool, and then we'll worry about monetization. So we're not going to worry about that until later. Premature monetization is the root of all evil."
    http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/134839/the_valve_way_gabe_newell_and_.php?page=2

    In any case, many things will stay the same. People will still pay to be entertained. They'll pay to see live music and sporting events – and they'll still pay for porn.



  • Gonna just leave this here since it seems somewhat relevant: http://www.ted.com/talks/rob_reid_the_8_billion_ipod.html



  • That was you? Well when the hell was my stuff coming through? :D



  • @'Supro':

    @'Katzekage':

    It was only a matter of time i think, but now Taras Sec. assignment is on 4chan. Now you can count on that the "word is spread"…. the question is if this is more positive or more negativ.

    The more incredible fact about it is that it´s posted so "long" after release oO

    Oh look they acknowledged you! :D

    My favorite part was then the OP told them to check out Miro's artwork after, you know, posting it.

    flooded this thread with alot of free stuff and bam closed^"404" one point for the 20TB of porn^^ muhahahah



  • @'Katzekage':

    It was only a matter of time i think, but now Taras Sec. assignment is on 4chan. Now you can count on that the "word is spread"…. the question is if this is more positive or more negativ.

    The more incredible fact about it is that it´s posted so "long" after release oO

    Oh look they acknowledged you! :D

    My favorite part was then the OP told them to check out Miro's artwork after, you know, posting it.



  • It was only a matter of time i think, but now Taras Sec. assignment is on 4chan. Now you can count on that the "word is spread"…. the question is if this is more positive or more negativ.

    The more incredible fact about it is that it´s posted so "long" after release oO



  • Depends. Over the years I've become more of a collector. While I started buying 100% of my porn before I had internet - and that stuff was not always worth it, but I didn't or couldn't know beforehand - I then switched to explore and just 'get' me all sorts of stuff. That has led to approximately 2 TB of porn… and don't even ask how little of that I paid for. I guess I spend more money on delicate toys or filesharing accounts than on the artists work. However that's only true for real porn and partly for hentai (big fan of mangas/doujinshis but need them translated which leads to looking for them for free rather than buying originals, same with animations), paying for good 3DX is only a problem if I can't find a way to pay the artist.

    In other words: Porn is worth paying for as no one should bite the hand that feeds you. On the other hand the internet is an almost infinite madhouse of porn (among other things of course) and like Katzekage stated, it's not possible to pay for everything you like... especially if you have a weird fancy fetish... contrary to movies, music or games/applications, which I almost never pirate, I rarely pay for porn and only when I'm really thrilled by someones work. In case I am thrilled and do support someone, I usually stick with supporting him/her for a long time.



  • @'miro':

    @'hzr':

    I think especially in the 3dx area you really need a homerun and show off something unique or with such a great quality that it is above the rest.

    Regarding the pirating thing, one issue I'm seeing is the relentless focus not to spend at all cost… it's like you rather spend 5 hours of your precious time (which in a regular job could have been what $100 in wages) to find that hard to find comic which would have cost you all but a measly $10. I know I've been there.

    The "thrill of the hunt" is what gets me through the 5 hours of searching, the same thing a hunter gets if he/she spends 3 days tracking a deer when he/she could've just went to the butcher and bought some venison, ironically, sometimes I have more fun "hunting" for internet goodies than I do when I "catch" the "prey"



  • Torrenting isn't stealing. To steal something implies that you take it and then it is no longer there.

    For example, if you were to steal someone's car from their driveway then when they went to go to work the next morning then it would not be there for them to use.

    So torrenting, would be more like making a copy of that car and driving it off on your own while leaving their car there in the driveway.

    I suppose it's hurtful given that if you can get it for free then you're not likely to pay for it. But, it's convenient for those that wouldn't pay for it regardless of free availability or not.

    Large companies still rake in massive profits, so even though it surely does hurt their profits…. it's like someone complaining for making 1 billion or 1.1 billion. At that point, you're already making so much that it's hard for the people lower on the totem poll to really give all that many fucks that you don't get more 0's to add to your massive profits you're already raking in.

    The ones it does hurt though are the small independant artists like miro here. While a massive company, losses wouldn't really matter, if even a couple that would have paid for his stuff pirate it instead then that's pretty hurtful to him personally since he doesn't sell hundreds of thousands of copies.

    But anyways... to answer the question...

    I can only answer for myself personally, and the answer to that is no. I've never bought porn and it's probably not something I would do. I like looking at it, but I'm sexually active enough that it's not really something I need.

    And well... with the internet, you can get more porn than you could watch in 20 lifetimes all for free. Considering porn is a multibillion dollar industry, I'm not sure who the hell really does buy porn... I'm guessing that it's people that aren't all that big on computers and technology for the most part, and there's still a lot of the older generations around that would probably be more comfortable with that. I think it's really probably going to be slowly phased out, or at least become much less profitable, as we continue to develop technologically.

    So for me to actually buy porn... it wouldn't be anything standard like pictures or movies, or even small things. All I would really probably shell out for would be some kind of interactive online game with really good graphics and stuff that you wouldn't be able to pirate due to the online service.

    Basically, you take something Real Girlfriend (or, I dunno... I've never played it), some really graphic sex game that pretty much plays like a porno, and then you combine something like an MMO aspect, and you have it as like a sub-feature of it, where it's something people can do, but there's a lot more story and action and stuff to it then that, then it's definitely something I'd pay for. Like maybe you could sex up NPC's or other players or something.

    But, that's the entertainment value I would be willing to pay for. Something I may or may not schlick to, but that's all its real use is ever going to be and maybe only once or twice, if at all, honestly... it's not really worth it for me.

    Probably not what you wanted to hear, and maybe demotivating, but... that's the honest answer from me.

    I think you'll get a pretty biased answer here though, given that most people here are probably supportive of purchasing small CGX works like this, which is why they joined and participate at the site and whatnot. I mean, this site is basically for promoting the sale of your CGX stuff, so there's going to be a definite bias.



  • Honestly 3DX feels more like art than the the other. If there is a chance that some content has to become pay to view. At least there are sneak peeks that we can look forward to. And the content is easily accessible to those who want it.



  • @'miro':

    good point actually, there a difference between physically removing an item that will be missed vs electronically making an identical copy, which is probably why the lender isn't so concerned about asking for his item back :)
    of course that one person that may have bought an item… may as well have not existed, with the thousands (potentially) of borrows, certainly makes this less of a crime, doesn't quite complete the equation though

    Yeah … I know the comparison is kinda lacking, as most comparisons do^^ The main problem is the easy copy feature, which is hardly the users fault. But I think the mentality is the same, if you lend a book to your friend you do not think "Great! I denied the author his well deserved reward", no you consider it as helping someone out... which is usually nothing bad. I think the same holds true for people putting stuff on share... the main intention is not to hurt the producer, but helping other poor folks out^^
    Consider the guy's scanning (and translating) (H-)Manga... I'm pretty sure they do not hate the industry and want to destroy it, or something similar... quite the contrary. But these "good" people are still "the source of all evil", because -as mentioned - you can't pirate something if no one uploads it first. It's some sort of "Robin Hood"-attitude... I'm not sure if this is entirely bad. Migh still do more harm than good^^

    @'miro':

    I've heard in Japan there is very little piracy which I find interesting if it's true, why would they pirate less than in the West? Is it the mentalit? stricter laws? They have the same facilities why not buy into the "borrow" concept (no pun intended)?

    I've heard that too, but I can hardly believe this is true… I also heard that the penalty for scanning and distributing stuff got higher like 2 years ago or so... if barely anyone would do it, why bother?
    And a lot of Japanese stuff lands on (Japanese) share on release day... hentai, games, regular porn since it really is a fuzz to buy from Japanese sites, I really do not think us Western people are the reason.

    @'fredfred5150':

    well lets take your McDonalds analogy and explore it, ok the burger in your hand might not look as tasty as the poster but its still a burger, its still what you thought you were gonna get, BUT, what if when you got the burger and bit into it you discovered that it wasn't beef in the burger, but crushed cardboard painted beef colour and sprayed with a chemical that produced a cooked beef smell? you would not have recieved the "content" that you thought you paid for

    Then you would experience the point of the false porn advertising, if you pay to access a website because you seen a promo pic with a girl about to be penetrated by a 14inch cock, then download the movie and the guy is only 7 inches but was photoshoped, then you've just got the crushed cardboard burger porn

    Well… we could argue about this for all eternity... you were promised a guy with a cock screwing a girl and this is what you got, only that his cock is merely half as big, as promised. Just as the Burger is only half as tasty as the ad promised^^ Hard to draw the line between "acceptable" deceiving and outright betrayal...
    If they promise you a video of super hot chick XY and there is no such video, since they used an image of a random model that never did porn... that's betrayal... if she was photoshoped to death and the 12 is actually a 5 in reality... well that's bad luck lol
    But I agree that the degree of false advertisement is sometimes mind-blowing...



  • @'Alpensepp':

    @'fredfred5150':

    Thats false advertising, just one more reason to pirate

    I don't know… that's a fairly lame excuse imo... I don't want to steal from McDonalds(or insert other Junk Food restaurant of your choice...) just because their burgers do not look half as tasty as in the ads... or I'm not mad at Axe if the girls don't want to rip my clothes off, if I use one of their products.
    "Honest advertisement" is at least a paradox^^

    well lets take your McDonalds analogy and explore it, ok the burger in your hand might not look as tasty as the poster but its still a burger, its still what you thought you were gonna get, BUT, what if when you got the burger and bit into it you discovered that it wasn't beef in the burger, but crushed cardboard painted beef colour and sprayed with a chemical that produced a cooked beef smell? you would not have recieved the "content" that you thought you paid for

    Then you would experience the point of the false porn advertising, if you pay to access a website because you seen a promo pic with a girl about to be penetrated by a 14inch cock, then download the movie and the guy is only 7 inches but was photoshoped, then you've just got the crushed cardboard burger porn


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    @'Katzekage':

    oO your in Australia? I'll emigrate if this is true!!!!

    well something similar right

    @'Alpensepp':

    There is still one difference to traditional "go in a shop, put desired object in jacket, and get out" stealing.
    Someone has to provide his (legaly) obtained copy for others… If you really want you could see it as some sort of lending... just as you lend a book from a friend... he bought it, you read it free of charge...

    good point actually, there a difference between physically removing an item that will be missed vs electronically making an identical copy, which is probably why the lender isn't so concerned about asking for his item back :)
    of course that one person that may have bought an item… may as well have not existed, with the thousands (potentially) of borrows, certainly makes this less of a crime, doesn't quite complete the equation though

    I've heard in Japan there is very little piracy which I find interesting if it's true, why would they pirate less than in the West? Is it the mentalit? stricter laws? They have the same facilities why not buy into the "borrow" concept (no pun intended)?



  • @'fredfred5150':

    Thats false advertising, just one more reason to pirate

    I don't know… that's a fairly lame excuse imo... I don't want to steal from McDonalds(or insert other Junk Food restaurant of your choice...) just because their burgers do not look half as tasty as in the ads... or I'm not mad at Axe if the girls don't want to rip my clothes off, if I use one of their products.
    "Honest advertisement" is at least a paradox^^

    Considering the "torrenting is stealing" issue...
    I don't know... the last thing I downloaded via torrent was a linux security patch, that's fairly legit in my opinion!
    Nah just kidding... I know this is not about the few legal downloads...
    There is still one difference to traditional "go in a shop, put desired object in jacket, and get out" stealing.
    Someone has to provide his (legally) obtained copy for others... If you really want you could see it as some sort of lending... just as you lend a book from a friend... he bought it, you read it free of charge...
    (un)fortunately both parties have the built in benefit of a computer that any content can be reproduced easily... and the provider does not miss his stuff after lending it to someone else and can thus lend it to many others at the same time lol


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